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Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by erik_seaberg on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:47PM (#34941647)
> I hate to quote him at all, but I do so to dissuade responses that this is a “cancel culture” decision.

“The comic sucks now” would have been an editorial decision about the content. “Here’s a terrible thing the author said somewhere else” is cancel culture. It’s not as if all the readers know or care who draws this.

Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by eyelidlessness on Saturday February 25, 2023 @07:12PM (#34941793)
To the extent this is an appropriate definition of “cancel culture”, it’s also a perfect demonstration that complaints about “cancel culture” are essentially “grievance culture”. There is nothing wrong with the editorial staff of a news publisher making editorial decisions based on the values they want the publication to represent. Even if that decision is not based on the content they may or may not publish. This is and has always been the logical conclusion of the very confused “free speech vs cancel culture” position: everything is permissible… except anyone or any organization having the temerity to choose who they wish to associate with, even if that’s an express purpose of their role.
Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by marcusverus on Saturday February 25, 2023 @10:42PM (#34942835)
> complaints about “cancel culture” are essentially “grievance culture”.

Where does the “grievance” come into play? Opponents of cancel culture are just saying that people shouldn’t be fired for wrongthink.

Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by eyelidlessness on Saturday February 25, 2023 @11:29PM (#34943045)
That’s the grievance. He wasn’t “fired for wrongthink”, they didn’t want to continue to work with him and said why. They’re not under any obligation to continue to publish his comic, right?
Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by caeril on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:30AM (#34945794)
This would be a fair argument if Scott was literally sitting in the newsroom or on the newsroom Slack going on racist tirades, making the employees uncomfortable.

But he's syndicated. The Plain Dealer doesn't "work with" him any more than I "work with" Mitchell Hashimoto, for example. Nearly all of these newspapers work through a syndication middleman that operates professionally and neither represents, nor transmits, their cartoonists personal opinions on other platforms.

Firing someone for being an asshole in the office is perfectly legitimate. Firing someone for being an asshole somewhere else that your employees have no reasonable chance of even knowing about other than through the tweets of people they don't even know is absolutely ridiculous.

This whole thing reminds me of the Yarvin / Strange Loop fiasco.

We've, as a society, decided long ago that private and professional lives are generally distinct. We accept that the alcoholic who gets shitfaced every night after work is a perfectly acceptable coworker as long as he doesn't come to work drunk. We accept that whatever crazy shit you might get up to in your bedroom has no bearing on how you comport yourself at work. But recently we've somehow made a bizarre exception for personal opinions.

Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by hedora on Sunday February 26, 2023 @11:05AM (#34946531)
Since when are YouTube channels “in private”?

Also, go look up anything he has done outside of Dilbert in the last ten years. He went off the deep end long ago.

Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by eyelidlessness on Sunday February 26, 2023 @11:43AM (#34946903)
So it’s your position that any newspaper/news website which has ever published the Dilbert comic, is perpetually obligated to continue to publish the Dilbert comic in their news publication… unless Dilbert itself deviates from their editorial standards?
Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by ModernMech on Sunday February 26, 2023 @12:01PM (#34947074)
> We've, as a society, decided long ago that private and professional lives are generally distinct.

I think this is a primary source of disconnect in our society today. Because to me, no, to the extent this as been decided in the past, it's now a societal-level question if this still holds. The logic is: I spend a good chunk of my life at work, my employer donates to political campaigns and lobbies the government to make changes that impact my life, so therefore my work and my life are not separable. If you want to get politics out of work, get work out of politics.

The other thing that has changed is that it's no longer about your coworker getting smashed at home. It's about your coworker going home and ranting online about how you as a person are less than a human being, and how they'd love to legislate your personhood away. If I find out that my coworkers feel that way about me, then my employer can either fire them or I'm quitting. The choice most employers make is to fire the person who is being abusive rather than losing the person who is being abused. That doesn't work out well for the abusive types, which maybe is why they're so angry at this new societal arrangement. I'm sure they'd love to live in a world where they can rant the way they choose about their coworkers and not face any societal or employment consequences.

Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by SamBam on Monday February 27, 2023 @11:02AM (#34957943)
> We've, as a society, decided long ago that private and professional lives are generally distinct. We accept that the alcoholic...

A public person who broadcasts public statements to the world (as part of an audience engagement strategy, no less) is very different from a private alcoholic. Adams's blog is part of his professional life.

If Richard Spencer (noted white supremacist) started a comic that had nothing to do with his white supremacy beliefs, I still wouldn't want to support a newspaper that was paying him.

Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by themitigating on Monday February 27, 2023 @01:56PM (#34960429)
"We've, as a society, decided long ago that private and professional lives are generally distinct."

Not if you're gay

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/in-mich...

Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by jhartr on Sunday March 05, 2023 @11:12PM (#35037452)
If Mitchell Hashimoto was going on racist tirades via Twitter, you can bet that I would rather work with Cloudformation over Terraform.
Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by ModernMech on Saturday February 25, 2023 @11:17PM (#34942986)
But no one is being fired here. An editor is making an editorial decision. Sounds like maybe you don’t like the decision but so what? You can start your own paper and make your own decisions that others can disagree with.

Adams will continue being a multimillionaire who gets to speak his mind to his followers. Everyone is exercising their first amendment rights. So what’s the problem?

Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by themitigating on Monday February 27, 2023 @01:54PM (#34960413)
If I said I want to kill all jews is that wrongthink?
Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by Dudelander on Monday February 27, 2023 @03:33AM (#34954277)
Yeah stop trying to "cancel" "cancel culture".
Re:We are dropping the Dilbert comic because of creator Scot... by reaperducer on Sunday February 26, 2023 @10:32AM (#34946281)
I didn't agree that this is a cancel culture thing until this discussion, with 213 points, suddenly got "flagged" here on HN.

The discussion of being cancelled has been cancelled.