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Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by blamazon on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:18PM (#34915048)
I'm not sure how folks regard privacy.com (the domain is a little... lofty?) but I use that to present my bank to PayPal as if it was a credit card. I change charge limits on the fly to be just a bit more than I need.
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by 1f60c on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:46PM (#34915458)
Revolut offers free (disposable) virtual debit cards and isn't limited to just the US.

(No affiliation; I'm just a happy customer.)

Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by account-5 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:19PM (#34915903)
Revolut seems less trustworthy that PayPal. And there appears to be a lot less protection for you as their customer.
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by sofixa on Thursday February 23, 2023 @04:23PM (#34916665)
> Revolut seems less trustworthy that PayPal

Why?

> And there appears to be a lot less protection for you as their customer.

They have EU banking licenses (depending on where you are a different one applies to you), but they are a regular bank with all the protections that includes for a customer - if they go bankrupt, your money is guaranteed up to a certain extent; they can't just close your account and keep the money like PayPal do, etc. etc..

Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by megous on Thursday February 23, 2023 @07:44PM (#34919073)
They may have the licenses, but do they actually do business under them? They did not in the past. So it always looked just like a fun ploy to gain some credibility.
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by sofixa on Friday February 24, 2023 @02:24AM (#34921891)
> They may have the licenses, but do they actually do business under them? They did not in the past

What do you mean? They provide banking services, they cannot do that without a banking license to do it under. They used to only have one, in Lithuania, and use it for all operations, but now they have a bunch more and the most appropriate applies (e.g. I'm in France, and I'm under the French one).

Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by megous on Friday February 24, 2023 @10:02AM (#34925130)
Companies can provide money services without a banking license. A lot of companies do.

When I duckduck the question, even revolut has this in their FAQ: https://megous.com/dl/tmp/bbebf0d88acb54d8.png

It's possible to have a license and not use it.

Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by fauigerzigerk on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:23PM (#34915957)
Wise offers free virtual cards as well.
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by shp0ngle on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:00PM (#34915670)
Isn’t Revolut just for Europeans?
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by input_sh on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:19PM (#34915899)
Not exclusively European countries, but also not the whole Europe: https://www.revolut.com/change-country/

I was able to get my hands on one of their cards, but it was useless to me as I couldn't actually put any money on it from my unsupported country.

Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by shp0ngle on Friday February 24, 2023 @01:24AM (#34921502)
Ah but it is available in USA…I didn’t know that!
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by momirlan on Thursday February 23, 2023 @04:18PM (#34916596)
they closed their Canadian operations a couple of years ago. good riddance.
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by hansvm on Friday February 24, 2023 @12:11AM (#34921053)
Tried them once.

- Basically none of the banking functions were available outside the app

- The app itself was buggy. There was some sort of "vault" or whatever they called it that had attractive interest rates (the reason I signed up), and after wasting hours of my life over a few weeks with customer support I decided it would never work

- Unlike any other bank-like service I've used, you can't just get mailed a check and close the account. Neat idea maybe, but at the time the app was buggy and wouldn't let you withdraw fully if you had anything in savings because of some sort of minimum balance nonsense

- You can't use the app if they think your phone isn't sufficiently secure. This is more on Apple/Google for caving to that bullshit, but IMO an app with its own security model shouldn't have any clue how you access your phone

- Deposits were capped to like $10 for the first day, $100 for the second, and so on. I don't remember the exact schedule, but it meant that instead of just depositing an old 401k I had to design over a period of time a series of increasingly large deposits of some other money (just like a fraudster would do? ELI5, what are they actually preventing?) just to be able to throw a check into the account

- Deposits to and withdrawals from Revolut took an obscene number of days, nobody on either side of the transaction could tell where the money was (magically available in neither account), and the transactions were 10x longer when I was trying to leave

And on and on. Like, I'm sure they're fine on average, and they're probably better than when I tried last time, but I haven't had a worse banking experience yet anywhere by a longshot. The basics for an online bank are logging in, depositing money, and withdrawing money, and neither the basics nor the fancy features they sold me on were very functional.

Happy to hear the virtual debit cards work for you :)

Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by soiler on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:27PM (#34916011)
I've been using their app for years, it's pretty helpful. I really wish they used a different name, though.
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by xkcd-sucks on Thursday February 23, 2023 @04:12PM (#34916529)
I got halfway through the "Privacy.com" sign up process and discovered they wanted my online banking username and password to access funds, with some ridiculous alternative like mailing a paper check
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by blamazon on Thursday February 23, 2023 @07:49PM (#34919118)
Yeah... that's FinTech. I find it soothing to consider how little I trust my bank with those credentials.
Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by xkcd-sucks on Friday February 24, 2023 @05:49PM (#34931287)
At the very least one would expect the bank to be salting and hashing - PrivacyDotCom presumably has to keep the plaintext in some form in order to use them!

As a secondary concern, the bank has occasional 2fa, and definitely does some kind of anomaly detection. Primed by the ickiness of the user/pass request I just had a mental image of some hacky Selenium script on an AWS IP address filling out the login form and getting my online banking disabled proactively.

Re:Tell HN: Do not store any funds in PayPal or use them for... by jiveturkey on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:36PM (#34920822)
privacy.com is just like VPNs. It's not private; you're "just" moving the pieces. That's not to say that these things aren't useful, but caveat emptor.