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Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by dixie_land on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:35AM (#34912723)
> The homeowners are the ones getting rich.

If it's not an investment property then homeowners don't get any benefits from higher home value other than a larger tax bill.

Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by kspacewalk2 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:41AM (#34912812)
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by philsnow on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:42AM (#34912825)
Except in California where Prop 13 makes property tax grow slower than inflation (capped at 2% per year). The (in inflation-adjusted dollars) tax on any given parcel literally goes down year over year.
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by CalRobert on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:31PM (#34913621)
Prop 13 is slowly dying out as of January, though.
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by rcpt on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:37AM (#34912770)
How do I buy a house that's not an investment?
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by jonathanlb on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:51AM (#34912968)
Be poor. At least in California, Habitat for Humanity as well as several counties offer BMR (Below Market Rate) housing for people and families just scraping by. The way it works is you purchase the house a certain percentage below market rate, and when you sell, it also has to be a certain percentage below market rate.
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by recursive on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:24PM (#34913520)
If you sell for the same percentage BMR that you bought, the investment attributes remain unchanged. It's all proportional.
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by km3r on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:35PM (#34914537)
Different places may do it differently, but SF bases it off of a cap for the monthly payment for the mortgage. As interest rates went up this forced the price lower and some people had to sell at a loss.

Roughly its monthly payment => a third of 90-110% of AMI.

Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by jnwatson on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:02PM (#34913142)
Buy a house in Japan. Housing shouldn’t be a nest egg.
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by derefr on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:50AM (#34912947)
Just because you buy a place for you and your family to live in, rather than "for investment", doesn't mean you won't still reap a massive profit if you downsize to a one-bedroom 20 years later when your kids are out of the house.

(Or if you retire to a country with a lower cost-of-living and no housing bubble, buying a similarly-sized house there for lower than the original purchase-price of your home in the US. Which is exactly how every retiree you see in e.g. Thailand lives like they do: they're not living off a pension; they're living off the "nest egg" they naturally accumulated by holding a house in the West for 20+ years before selling it to move there.)

Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by Tiktaalik on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:09PM (#34913256)
Even if you never sell you can borrow against your massive home equity wealth, invest and make more money that way.
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by km3r on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:14PM (#34913360)
If they don't want the higher tax bill, keep housing prices down by allowing homes to be built. I really couldn't care less about the person who pushes up prices by blocking development having a higher tax bill.
Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by triceratops on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:29PM (#34913594)
> homeowners don't get any benefits from higher home value

You've never heard of a HELOC?

Re:95% of Bay Area Cities Lost Zoning Authority by ghaff on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:51PM (#34914722)
Although it would probably have paid off between 2010 and 2020, taking additional money out of a house with a HELOC in order to invest or spend it probably isn't a great strategy under a lot of circumstances.