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Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by refurb on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:00AM (#34911409)
This is fud.

Teflon is not toxic, its used in medical implants. Its made from a gas - tetrafluoroethylene. It has nothing to do with PFAS.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by matt123456789 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:07AM (#34911507)
Teflon (PTFE) breaks down and releases PFOA (which is a PFAS chemical) at high temperatures.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by gruez on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:16AM (#34911623)
1. Are the chemicals of heat breakdown the same as what's being described in the article? I find it strange that everything teflon related is lumped under "PFAS/PFOA", from precursor chemicals[1], the coating itself, its combustion products, to various other applications (eg. firefighting foams or paper takeout containers)

2. The "high temperatures" in this context is above the smoke point of most cooking oils. As long as you're not using it for high temperature applications (eg. searing meat), you're fine.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Fear_River#Suspended_soli...

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by arcticbull on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:52PM (#34913934)
Starts to break down at 500F which is below the smoke point of avocado oil (520F). It’s objectively easy to hit these numbers on a pan, especially if you leave it for a few minutes one time.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by matt123456789 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:17AM (#34911645)
Also I’m not a chemist but Wikipedia directly names it as a PFAS.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by refurb on Thursday February 23, 2023 @07:32PM (#34918966)
PFAS just means “molecule with lots (poly) of fluorines”.

The entire class isnt toxic.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by Tijdreiziger on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:51AM (#34912954)
Wikipedia [1] says: "Non-stick coated cookware has not been manufactured using PFOA since 2013."

The source they reference [2] says:

> So is teflon safe now?

> Absolutely. PTFE is inert in its solid form and will most likely pass through your digestive system with no issue. In addition, the temperatures used for cooking aren’t typically hot enough to release PTFE fumes into the air – though toxicologists are quick to remind people that overheating Teflon coated cookware is a bad idea.

The source they reference, a dead-but-archived page on the University of North Carolina's website [3], says:

> Assuming you use your cookware appropriately, i.e. not heating it excessively and unattended, always heating the pan with something in it, not scratching off the Teflon and consuming it for dinner, using non-stick pans is relatively safe for humans. Risk of “Teflon flu” due to inhalation of fumes during typical kitchen use is minimal. Ingestion of PTFE is not reported to be toxic and residual PFOA in PTFE-coated pans is minimally transferred to food. However, long-term exposure studies to PTFE-fumes and PFOA have not been conducted so we can’t say that it is completely safe. Regardless, you should keep Larry the bird away from the kitchen.

> If you wish to avoid the Teflon risk altogether, stainless steel and cast-iron pans are recommended alternative, albeit not necessarily non-stick, cooking options.

So it seems to me that it should be fine, though as a layman, I can't determine the veracity of the sources.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene#Safety

[2] https://www.bhg.com.au/the-truth-about-teflon-are-non-stick-...

[3] http://web.archive.org/web/20180523015658/http://tibbs.unc.e...

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by mahogany on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:56PM (#34914781)
Honestly, none of the language you're quoting is reassuring. There are qualifiers like "most likely" and "relatively safe", and the not-at-all-reassuring "Ingestion of PTFE is not reported to be toxic". This is very different from "known to be non-toxic". So many industries (in the US at least) operate in a way similar to "shoot first, ask questions later". When it comes to health, it should be the reverse.

Clearly they sold the original formulation as safe, until it wasn't, so why trust the new formulation? To me, it's not worth the gamble when we're discussing a new chemical that's being transferred into all of my food. There are plenty of alternatives with a slight decrease in comfort but the benefit of having been tested for hundreds (or thousands) of years.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by shadowgovt on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:58PM (#34914809)
What temperature? A quick Googling suggests 536 Farenheit.

So don't leave your teflon cookware in the oven on self-clean cycle and you should be fine, right?

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by marcosdumay on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:06AM (#34911493)
PFAS is used as an adherent for teflon on cookware. I have no idea if it has alternatives, but "it has nothing to do with PFAS" is not correct.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by nulld3v on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:16AM (#34911614)
Do you have a source on this? Trying to do more research but couldn't find much mention of this.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by refurb on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:23AM (#34911726)
Why would you use a non-stick substance to adhere teflon?
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by SAI_Peregrinus on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:54AM (#34913005)
Teflon is bound to many pans using PFAS-family chemicals.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by refurb on Friday February 24, 2023 @01:27AM (#34921523)
Source? Everything I read says it's a physical binding by sandblasting the metal to create a rough surface for the telfon to stick.

Like I said - FUD.