Re:It's time to get the Posix elephant off our necks
by msla on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:06AM
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The problem with making a shell more like a "real" interpreter REPL is the purpose of a shell: Running arbitrary programs not known to the author of the shell, such that any unknown word in a shell script is probably the name of a program as opposed to a misspelled reserved word or variable name. Those programs having arbitrary command-line arguments and having to operate on files with arbitrary names is another complexity.
Re:It's time to get the Posix elephant off our necks
by pasc1878 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @04:20AM
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It has been done. See xonsh a python shell which manages the distinction you mention.
Also see scsh and rash for scheme
Fish for non posix but sane syntax
Re:It's time to get the Posix elephant off our necks
by actionfromafar on Thursday February 23, 2023 @04:42AM
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It's interesting to see how so many things grow into each other. A shell is what you say, but there are many efforts to change that. Bash has its magic autocomplete which knows about options of many, many programs. Powershell has an object-model with knowledge of many of its commands.
Re:It's time to get the Posix elephant off our necks
by deafpolygon on Thursday February 23, 2023 @08:38AM
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> Can we actually improve the POSIX shell?
PowerShell?
Re:It's time to get the Posix elephant off our necks
by chasil on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:56AM
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No, that won't work.
$ ll /bin/dash
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 85368 Jan 5 09:52 /bin/dash
If you can make Powershell in a binary that size, then you have a valid point.
Re:It's time to get the Posix elephant off our necks
by shubhamkrm on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:47PM
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But why? Storage is much cheaper today than it was in the 80s. While I myself don’t like huge Electron apps, trying to save every byte of storage is simply not worth it.
Re:It's time to get the Posix elephant off our necks
by chasil on Thursday February 23, 2023 @05:01PM
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Embedded applications on smaller systems are why.
The POSIX shell is common, from the largest supercomputer down to the smallest ARM.
I don't think that there will be any new developments covering that full scope.
Re:It's time to get the Posix elephant off our necks
by deafpolygon on Friday February 24, 2023 @01:22AM
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Embedded systems don't exclude PowerShell from being a replacement for POSIX shells. Maybe embedded systems should not strive to be POSIX.
Can we reform it, perhaps into a "D-shell," that is an LR-parsed language?
AWK had a yacc grammar for many years. Why can't this be the language of the shell, at least for the sake of maintainability and comprehension?
https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/code_parsing_...