Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine

Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by brucethemoose2 on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:05PM (#34906207)

I wonder how it can scale?

Even with the battle royale craze, it seems like nothing has really replicated Planetside 2's black magic netcode (or at least amassed a playerbase big enough to show it off).

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by ElFitz on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:55PM (#34906567)

> it seems like nothing has really replicated Planetside 2's black magic netcode

Or tried to. From what I’ve read online they massively rely on client-side computation, even for hit detection.

It seems more like trading security for performance than any sort of technical miracle black magic.

Unless I’ve missed something?

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by e12e on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:59AM (#34907640)

I know Planetside 1 was pretty heavy on client side - not sure about PS2 (but my impression was that it would be less client side logic - to avoid some of the cheating.

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by scktt on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:13PM (#34906675)

found a small thread on reddit which posed the same questions [0]. it looks like the above comment hit it on the head; mostly client side with server just handling messages. looks like it didnt scale well either.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/8hx7t1/comment/...

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by brucethemoose2 on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:25PM (#34906749)

Perhaps that is the compromise, but that also feels like an oversimplification of the challenge, and I'm happy with the in-game results.

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by squeaky-clean on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:22PM (#34913480)

It scaled very well as long as you didn't have any hackers in your region. I remember having battles with well over 500 players and very little lag.

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by wsc981 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:31AM (#34907122)

I think some time ago (2 years or more?) there was this guy, I believe from The Netherlands, who had made a game that seemed to be to support a massive number of players with minimal hardware requirements.

I wish I could find the post, but I tried to search it in the past, without success. He did have a video with many players in game on YouTube.

Perhaps someone else remembers and can find the post.

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by tacticalmook on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:53AM (#34907262)

Improbable claims that their SpatialOS service can scale beyond what Planetside 2 achieves.

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by brucethemoose2 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:36AM (#34907510)

Yeah they've claimed that for awhile with no results. Dual Universe (which I backed) also demoed a many player test, but its never accumulated much pop and is not really an fps either.

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by neural_thing on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:35AM (#34908262)

EVE online also has mad scaling through time dilation

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by plopz on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:04PM (#34914101)

which is an incredibly unfun awful mechanic

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Re:Ambient: The Multiplayer Game Engine by Thaxll on Thursday February 23, 2023 @08:59AM (#34910655)

Planetside 2 netcode is terrible, people forget that it runs at 5hz, at that sim speed any game can put 100's of people on screen.

Also client side hit detection, lol. Full of cheat and completely inacurate gameplay.

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