Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by pietroq on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:09AM
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Fun fact: Turbo Pascal was 38KB and that included the editor, compiler and debugger. It was lightning fast, compiling 10s of kSLOC in mere seconds on a 4.77MHz single-thread 8088 with 640KB of RAM. Now to build a Hello World full stack web app it can take 10+ minutes on a modern PC with 4GHz 16 core CPU and 64GB of RAM :)
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Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by shepherdjerred on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:30AM
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> Now to build a Hello World full stack web app it can take 10+ minutes on a modern PC with 4GHz 16 core CPU and 64GB of RAM :)
That's a bit of an exaggeration. What stack's hello world takes 10 minutes to build?
Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by grogenaut on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @12:45PM
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depending on your network, `npx create-react-app --template typescript` might take 10-15 minutes easily.
Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by shepherdjerred on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:22PM
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Well, yes, given an infinitely slow network any action depending on the network can take an infinite amount of time.
Since the discussion is around CPU hardware improvements, I don't think network speeds are too relevant.
Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by grogenaut on Friday February 24, 2023 @07:16PM
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but isn't it? We've moved a ton of the compute to using the network and I think that makes things a lot slower than they need to be... and a lot less optimized. And along with that, since we have essentially infinite storage we havne't gotten good at trimming the fat... this is yet another thing that steals from our compute.
Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by andreigheorghe on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:21AM
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cool story, now try writing a "Hello World full stack web app" in turbo pascal.
Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by yborg on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:31AM
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And another Youtube video is born...
Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by tokinonagare on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @02:38PM
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It's actually quite easy if you can find a networking library: bind and listen on a socket on port 80, read text until you get GET / HTTP/1.1, discard whatever comes after, write back a response containing "Hello World" in the correct format (few lines of text) and that's it! A new full stack web app is born.
Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @12:01PM
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> Now to build a Hello World full stack web app it can take 10+ minutes on a modern PC with 4GHz 16 core CPU and 64GB of RAM :)
You’re doing something extremely wrong if this is the case.
Or more likely, the people complaining about “10 minute” web app compile times are just repeating hyperbole they found in other cynical comments.
Re:Apple Orders Entire Supply of TSMC's 3nm Chips for iPhone...
by prophesi on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @01:55PM
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Compiling a web app takes seconds as well. The common complaint is the resources needed to run the app as a consumer, particularly when most of the apps you use are all instances of chromium.