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Re:Statement of Jewish scientists opposing the “judicial ref... by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @05:11AM (#34879149)
> Jewish identity gives you a weird vibe?

Depends on how it is manifested as it is with any other identity.

> They're there

Where there? Thinking that Jews should have special rights in Israel by necessity means that Jews should have less rights outside of Israel. You may feel that it is the only self-evident and obviously righteous position, but I don't see why and I don't find your snarkiness justified.

Re:Statement of Jewish scientists opposing the “judicial ref... by weatherlite on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @11:58PM (#34891831)
> Thinking that Jews should have special rights in Israel by necessity means that Jews should have less rights outside of Israel.

No it doesn't and I never said that. There's still a Jewish identity though and by most measures I know Jews constitute as a people, hence they have a unique identity.

Re:Statement of Jewish scientists opposing the “judicial ref... by LudwigNagasena on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @05:46AM (#34893939)
> I really don't think it follows that Jews outside Israel should have less rights because of what goes on in Israel.

It is just a straightforward tautology. If you think that Israel is a special place wrt to Jews, it implies that every other place is not a special place for Jews, and by necessity provides less privileges and rights to Jews than Israel.

> All I said is that there is a specific Jewish identity just like there is a Palestinian identity. You are welcome to think that Jews should leave Israel or whatever, that still doesn't negate the fact that Jews have a unique identity.

There are all kinds of identities that appear and evolve with passage of time. I am not sure what’s the point of that trivial remark.

Re:Statement of Jewish scientists opposing the “judicial ref... by weatherlite on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @07:17AM (#34894491)
> It is just a straightforward tautology. If you think that Israel is a special place wrt to Jews, it implies that every other place is not a special place for Jews, and by necessity provides less privileges and rights to Jews than Israel.

Hmm no not really, still not seeing it. Just as I wouldn't think Asian Americans should have less rights in the U.S because they have a potential homeland in China or India. That's a really weird and childish argument I must say, I think we're done...

Re:Statement of Jewish scientists opposing the “judicial ref... by LudwigNagasena on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:05AM (#34897709)
A Jew can make Aliyah to Israel. If Jews had same privileges in other countries (eg an ability to make Aliyah to the US, China or India), the very notion of Israel as a special place would become vacuous. I am not sure how you are not seeing it, when it's the most straightforward and simple idea.

I didn't say anything about any moral "should"s, I just pointed out a very simple logical necessity.

Re:Statement of Jewish scientists opposing the “judicial ref... by weatherlite on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @01:05PM (#34899925)
Yes, yes, quite the conundrum.
Re:Statement of Jewish scientists opposing the “judicial ref... by LudwigNagasena on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @05:42PM (#34904067)
I don’t think it is a conundrum. It looks very simple and straightforward. I don’t see why you would have a problem following that.