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Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by NetOpWibby on Monday February 20, 2023 @05:05PM (#34873579)
That's some great marketing. I never applied to work there, I just assumed "now that's how you run a company!"
Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by robertlagrant on Monday February 20, 2023 @05:09PM (#34873629)
It didn't really make sense to me. How did you imagine any decisions working?
Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by whatshisface on Monday February 20, 2023 @05:23PM (#34873765)
For technical stuff it works okay, because people can make decisions just by doing whatever it is, or by talking to the team and agreeing on something. It's a lot harder to get people to do that for bonuses and pay.
Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by robertlagrant on Monday February 20, 2023 @05:38PM (#34873886)
Right, or "should we spend millions on Steam Deck which will pay off in 10 years" vs "should we all just get a big pay rise now with the money?"

The fact that even Valve, which is one of the companies closest to the idea of having endless free money, and thus the most forgiving to a structure like that, didn't make it work, must surely at least give us pause for thought!

Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by whatshisface on Monday February 20, 2023 @06:28PM (#34874305)
At Valve the corporate wing made (and still makes) those decisions, trying to have ten people agree on who deserves to be paid what and whether it should be invested instead hasn't been tried in any company I know of. In contrast having managers who are collectively answerable to those ten employees through the share ownership structure has been tried, and it works out okay.
Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by robertlagrant on Monday February 20, 2023 @06:47PM (#34874461)
> having managers who are collectively answerable to those ten employees through the share ownership structure has been tried

How does that work? As in the employees are owners but the managers aren't?

Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by whatshisface on Monday February 20, 2023 @06:52PM (#34874506)
In this example we're talking about 11 more or less equal shareholders, one of whom is a manager.
Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by robertlagrant on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:59AM (#34878146)
Sorry. I genuinely don't understand. Is it that the ten people report to the manager, but the manager also reports to the ten people?

What happens if half of the ten think the manager is good and the other half think he's bad?

Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by zx8080 on Monday February 20, 2023 @08:13PM (#34875202)
But are those 10 professionally qualified to check the manager's work quality during those 10 years? (Or do they buy some audit service from another division?)
Re:Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering? by whatshisface on Monday February 20, 2023 @08:36PM (#34875380)
It is usually pretty obvious when a manager is clearing blockers, communicating well and not punting on hard decisions; and since you're giving them 10 years, it would also be easy to see the outcomes of their riskier choices.