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Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by js4ever on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:22AM (#34856199)
Maybe because it's always in response to, and generally a failed copy costing billions to Europeans because of bureaucrats?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by jevgeni on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:26AM (#34856231)
Or maybe it's because HN crowd parrot the same groupthink like reddit? /s
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by eastbound on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:27AM (#34856247)
or we need a European chip manufacturer, so we take the most pathetic legacy brand around, and give it billions to build the previous generation of chip. Oh, hi Intel!
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by justeleblanc on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:48AM (#34856385)
Any examples you'd care to elaborate about?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by CamperBob2 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:20PM (#34859605)
Galileo might be a good example to discuss in this context.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by justeleblanc on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:25PM (#34859662)
Are you talking about the satellite navigation system that's been usable and widely used for about a decade? The one that gives location data ten times more precise than GPS (1m vs 10m)? That's a "failed copy costing billions to Europeans"? Really?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by betaby on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:40PM (#34859822)
Galileo was down for 5 days in a row in 2019. I won't go in to the details of other issues of, for that Bert Hubert's blog is a good start.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by justeleblanc on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:43PM (#34859858)
Now that's an indictment! One major outage in nearly a decade. Better write off the whole programme as a waste of money.

Meanwhile the whole US government gets shut down seemingly every other year.

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by bryik on Sunday February 19, 2023 @01:34PM (#34860397)
Has GPS ever experienced a major outage in its ~30 years of operation?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by justeleblanc on Sunday February 19, 2023 @03:06PM (#34861288)
Not that I know of. What's your point?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by betaby on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:44PM (#34859882)
Are we still on the satellite communications subject?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by justeleblanc on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:48PM (#34859917)
Yes, we are. Why?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by sebzim4500 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @03:45PM (#34861692)
Because GPS has never been shut down, to my knowledge.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by uoaei on Sunday February 19, 2023 @04:33PM (#34862076)
Can you be more specific on how exactly this one-dimensional evaluation of a resolved issue contributes to your argument?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by sebzim4500 on Monday February 20, 2023 @06:37AM (#34867191)
Because who wants to rely on a navigation system which occasionally goes down for nearly a week?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by uoaei on Monday February 20, 2023 @08:27PM (#34875303)
Clearly you have no idea how these kinds of issues are resolved, and how policies are reviewed and modified, following such an occurrence. An abhorrently depressing view on humanity's future that you believe there is nothing that we learned from this. I thought this discussion forum was about our progress toward the future by the virtue of the hacker spirit?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by CamperBob2 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @01:04PM (#34860094)
Are you sure you're writing from an informed perspective? Galileo holds a LOT of expensive, time-consuming lessons that this project will do well to absorb.

You'll note that I didn't say "Galileo sucks," or that there was no reason to build it. But the fact that it took longer to commission than the original NAVSTAR GPS system doesn't augur well for a Starlink clone. Which, in any event, will probably be so highly regulated and censored that it will be more like an orbital Minitel than a conventional ISP.

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by permo-w on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:39PM (#34859814)
“because of bureaucrats”. with such a nuanced justification, perhaps you should consider the solidity of your position
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by waihtis on Sunday February 19, 2023 @01:13PM (#34860197)
Bureaucrats -> Horizon and the other incredibly murky EU funding programs that a good bunch of these projects come from, with the ”businesses” ending up only having the lifespan of whatever runway they have been able to build with EU funding

I presume thats the gripe with a lot of these ”EU” technologies

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by sergiomattei on Sunday February 19, 2023 @01:36PM (#34860412)
And that’s very different from all the startup grants every other country does?
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by wafngar on Sunday February 19, 2023 @04:33PM (#34862081)
US has no bureaucrats? All the EU member states, no bureaucrats? How many projects in member states cost the tax payer billions? Btw the EU budget is tiny in comparison.