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Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by inglor_cz on Sunday February 19, 2023 @04:57AM (#34856051)
This is due to massive, shaping French influence on the EU.

There are many relatively market-friendly nations in the EU, especially in the eastern half, but the EU is mostly an extension of the French model and without the British, it really started leaning heavily into the protectionist bureaucratic model. The UK acted as a brake of sorts on those tendencies and its influence is sorely missed, at least by people like me. (Certainly the bureaucrats rejoice.)

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by sofixa on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:38AM (#34856318)
If you have to compare the UK and France on free market vs "protectionist and bureacratic" (i disagree, there are but notes of protectionism sometimes - e.g. Alsthom power was sold to GE without the most important bits, but it was sold nonetheless), which is better for the everyday humans? A couple of examples spring to mind, all of which are extremely disfavourable towards the UK, so please help me have a more nuanced argument:

* The privatisation of UK railways has been an unmitigated disaster

* The privatisation and selling off of various UK heavy industries (like steel, automobiles, trains, aeroplanes, shipbuilding) has been somewhat of a disaster with the majority of it closing, and the rest being foreign owned. Where the UK were a leader in many areas, they no longer are, with a drastic impact on the people who used to work there. As a counterpoint, France has managed to maintain shipbuilding, airplane, train construction at a pretty good level.

* Where the UK is "better" is financial services - IMO in part due to the English language, in part due to money laundering with the help of the various crown tax havens; and the startup scene - again the English language surely helped, but so did less rigorous labour laws (and that has been slightly relaxed in France).

Anything else come to mind?

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by scrlk on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:11AM (#34856131)
To quote "Yes Minister" (British political satire from the 1980s):

"You know what they say about the average Common Market official. He has the organising ability of the Italians, the flexibility of the Germans, and the modesty of the French. And that's topped up by the imagination of the Belgians, the generosity of the Dutch and the intelligence of the Irish."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYuoWyk8iU

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by gizmo on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:08AM (#34856108)
Britain after Thatcher got a rich financial center while the countryside impoverished. The market-friendly changes didn’t produce the promised tide that would lift all boats. I recognize that the UK produces more market-friendly rhetoric, but outside the handful of wealthy city centers the UK is shockingly poor.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by peterfirefly on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:18AM (#34856171)
> This is due to massive, shaping French influence on the EU.

True. I still think Thierry Breton does a really good job, though, despite being French. Sylvie Goulard would have been a disaster -- she couldn't even speak English!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvie_Goulard

(The wiki page lies and says she speaks English -- no, she really doesn't. Her German is pretty good, though.)

I think a modest proposal for curb stomping the bad French influence in the EU is to have all EU civil servants retake their entrance exams in another language if they originally took it in French. We should also form an alliance to automatically reject Commissioner candidates who 1) don't speak English and 2) speak French at the confirmation hearings in the European Parliament.

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Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by inglor_cz on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:08AM (#34856109)
Nope, there wouldn't be a chronic debt crisis in the Eurozone if the Germans really held so much sway.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by throw009 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:28PM (#34862988)
Germany wants that crisis because it's the only way it's moribund industries can be competitive in the global market. Well not any more after their dependence on Russian gas exploded in their face, but for the past 20 years.