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Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by candiddevmike on Friday February 17, 2023 @12:45PM (#34837822)
The alternative to majority rule is tyranny of the minority, specifically the minority with the most power/voice/money. I think what you're arguing for isn't against tyranny of the majority, but a limit to the power of the federal government/more local government.

For instance, the majority of the country wants universal healthcare and legalized cannabis, yet the tyranny of the minority keeps blocking these efforts for their benefit. Without majority rule, we have a ridiculously dysfunctional government that doesn't represent the people.

Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by pdonis on Friday February 17, 2023 @01:01PM (#34838060)
> The alternative to majority rule is tyranny of the minority

That's one alternative, but not the only one. Another alternative is for the government to not have the power to tyrannize in the first place. As the saying goes, the problem is not that politicians can be bought but that they have something valuable to sell.

> the majority of the country wants universal healthcare and legalized cannabis

I don't think this is true. I think vocal minorities want these things.

Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by comte7092 on Friday February 17, 2023 @01:09PM (#34838161)
Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by lotsoweiners on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:33PM (#34839244)
Trusting what you read in a poll is how you wake up the next morning and Trump has won the election.
Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by candiddevmike on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:35PM (#34839273)
The election of Trump is a great example of tyranny of the minority.
Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by comte7092 on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:52PM (#34839577)
Name a state that trump won where the polls showed him down over 36 points on the eve on the election.
Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by dantheman on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:41PM (#34839365)
If the government followed the constituion this wouldn't be problems: 1. Marijuana would never have been illegal at the federal level because an amendment wasn't passed. 2. Healthcare and any other federal welfare policies could be ennacted by passing an amendment.

If there isn't broad consensus across the country to pass an amendment then states can do it independently. There is no reason a state can't have single payer healthcare, except that they don't want to pay for it and want to just add the cost to the national debt.

Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by 1_1xdev1 on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:14PM (#34841895)
You are ignoring the constitutional article granting congress the ability to make laws. Congress passed laws making weed illegal and hasn’t passed a law granting (or prohibiting) universal healthcare.

States can, indeed do it independently. There’s at least 3 states with a public option

Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by arrosenberg on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:33PM (#34842050)
> Healthcare and any other federal welfare policies could be enacted by passing an amendment.

All federal welfare policies can be enacted under the commerce clause and/or the general welfare clause.

Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by dantheman on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @02:06AM (#34892570)
Yeah, exactly - what can't be enacted under the commerce clause. Everything impacts commerce, growing wheat on your own land for your own use impacts commerce. It's not legitimate. Once that door was opened, it went from enumerated power to anything not prohibited.
Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by acituan on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:38PM (#34841579)
> The alternative to majority rule is tyranny of the minority

Being anti-majority doesn't mean pro-minority.

It is about decreasing the weight of merely being in the majority as an input feature to optimal decision making. It is protecting against pseudo-relevance majority can pose as an overemphasized decision making strategy. This doesn't mean all ideas that manifest as majority is irrelevant, not at all, it is protecting against the false positives.

Mind you a lack of steamrolling with majority alone forces a downstream integration of opponent thoughts.

Think it like a collective intelligence architecture that is trying to make sure we don't get stuck in local optima.

Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by comte7092 on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:50PM (#34841702)
That’s all well and good, but when these issues come up, people seemingly turn their brains off and repeat “tyranny of the majority” without evaluating the empirical reality of how these systems function in practice.

I’m amenable tot he notion that there should be some guardrails on simple majoritarianism, but it shouldn’t follow that all anti majoritarian rules are good.

Re:Big Tech lobbyist language made it verbatim into NY’s hed... by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday February 17, 2023 @10:02PM (#34843444)
We do have guardrails. The constitution puts various things off-limits to any sort of majoritarian process of regular governing.

Should there be more things off-limits? Should there be less? Intelligent people could disagree, but the off-limits category already exists and there is a process to change what is in it.