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Re:Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of l... by BizarreByte on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:12AM (#34834229)
> In fact, a well off person in a well functioning city has little if any reason to own a car and can get away without one.

You can get away without one, that is if you don’t mind sharing transit with violent junkies in any North American city. Transit can be down right terrifying to use these days.

Re:Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of l... by afunctionof on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:39AM (#34834498)
I would be interested in seeing a graph comparing the rate of automobile fatalities to the rate of public transit fatalities.
Re:Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of l... by rootusrootus on Friday February 17, 2023 @09:20AM (#34834921)
I'm not sure what value there would be in that comparison. Cars and public transit are not filling the same role in society, regardless of how often that claim is made on HN. And that's completely ignoring the counterfactual of how mortality overall would change if we actually tried to make public transit fill all the roles cars have today.
Re:Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of l... by alexwennerberg on Friday February 17, 2023 @09:01AM (#34834721)
I’ve relied on public transit for 7 years in 3 different cities and never once have I encountered a “violent junkie”. It’s far safer to take transit than to drive. Cars kill 40,000 people a year in the US. Cars are the leading cause of death for Americans age 15-24. These are deaths we just normalize and wave away because it’s the living cost of car-dependent infrastructure. But it’s not and shouldn’t be normal or acceptable.

=> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

Re:Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of l... by BizarreByte on Friday February 17, 2023 @11:16AM (#34836503)
> I’ve relied on public transit for 7 years in 3 different cities and never once have I encountered a “violent junkie”

I welcome you to take a ride on the Ctrain in Calgary or the transit in Toronto. Public transit in those cities became a bastion of homelessness and drug abuse during COVID and it hasn't recovered because the cities refuse to take a hard line on the issue. People are increasingly scared to use them.

> Cars are the leading cause of death for Americans age 15-24.

Probably because people in this age rage don't regularly die from anything at all.

Re:Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of l... by armchairhacker on Friday February 17, 2023 @09:42AM (#34835173)
It depends.

Anecdotally, in Boston the MBTA is one of the "falling apart" systems. I could still rely on it to commute to my college / job, and the worst that has happened was sometimes being late due to delays. There are certainly a lot of sketchy people, but I have never seen someone attacked or have anything stolen or been harassed myself - then again I am a man and I'm certain it's different for women.

But more importantly, when living in Boston I never had to use the train. Only when commuting. Because when I lived in Boston everything was at most a 3 mile walk. Even in the really bad weather I could layer up still get places without public transit.

Now I'm in a less urban area but it's the same: I don't have a car and rarely end up using transit / Lyft. I do get groceries and things delivered though, but my job and everything else is within walking distance.

I still agree it would be a lot better if public transit was more reliable, but I think many people in cities can be well-off without a car. Not anecdotally I know that most of the college students in Boston don't have a car (especially because there is basically no parking...)

Re:Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of l... by dublinben on Friday February 17, 2023 @11:57AM (#34837137)
There's no shortage of parking in Boston, the market price of $40/day or $400 a month is just unaffordable for most college students. The ones driving exotic sports cars sure don't have any problem finding parking in the city.

As you point out, when you can find all of life's necessities within a reasonable walking distance, the need to own a car is significantly diminished. That's the goal that "anti-car" activists are pushing for.