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Re:Forget Milk and Eggs: Supermarkets Are Having a Fire Sale... by JohnFen on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:58PM (#34827045)
> You need to prove that all of that extra effort is worth the degraded quality of life.

No, nobody has to prove any such thing. This isn't an important issue to you -- that's fair. It is to others -- that's fair too.

You say "worth the degraded quality of life", but in my view, the degraded quality of life is always being under surveillance. Taking these measures improves my quality of life.

What I sacrifice is just a little bit of convenience. That's not a big hit.

Re:Forget Milk and Eggs: Supermarkets Are Having a Fire Sale... by Zetice on Thursday February 16, 2023 @05:41PM (#34827600)
Yes, you do have to prove to others why they should behave as you do, if that's what you want, and unless you have specific reasons for living a paranoid life, then you do believe others should behave as you do.

What you sacrifice is a lot of convenience, and a wholesale rejection by the very society you rely heavily on to survive.

You haven't justified the claim that "always being under surveillance" is categorically a bad thing. Either do that, or stop claiming it.

Re:Forget Milk and Eggs: Supermarkets Are Having a Fire Sale... by JohnFen on Thursday February 16, 2023 @06:06PM (#34827960)
> You haven't justified the claim that "always being under surveillance" is categorically a bad thing.

I don't have to. It's sufficient for me to say that I strongly dislike it.

> Why share this belief if you can't defend it?

Why do you think this is something that needs defending?

Regardless, I think I have adequately defended it. It's an intrusion into my life that I don't consent to and I find highly objectionable. The reason I find it objectionable is exactly the same as the reason I object to someone following me around writing down everything I do, or peering into my windows at home.

> And what you sacrifice is a lot of convenience, and a wholesale rejection by the very society you rely heavily on to survive.

Neither of those things are true at all. I do not feel greatly inconvenienced, and I fully participate in society.

> It's not tenable to live in this society and wear a ski mask while shopping in a grocery store.

I agree. I don't do that. That said, if I'm aware that a store is engaging in facial recognition, I will choose to shop at a store that doesn't.

That, too, is engaging in the society I live in.

Re:Forget Milk and Eggs: Supermarkets Are Having a Fire Sale... by Zetice on Thursday February 16, 2023 @07:56PM (#34829189)
If it doesn't matter to you if you're understood, then you're just commenting for attention, and there's no point in reading anything else you write...
Re:Forget Milk and Eggs: Supermarkets Are Having a Fire Sale... by JohnFen on Friday February 17, 2023 @09:43AM (#34835185)
Obviously, it does matter to me if I'm understood. What I'm not understanding is what it is I'm not being clear about.