Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by billfor on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:46PM (#34823615)

Disagree. I've had the beta for a year and drive in NYC. It has been mostly flawless considering all scenarios it has to handle. It does make the occasional mistake but (1) it's a beta and (2) I'm responsible for monitoring and correcting it. Agree that those that expected more should be entitled to a refund if they so desire.

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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by root_axis on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:02PM (#34823897)

> It does make the occasional mistake

Yeah, that's what I mean by "dangerous".

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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by panick21_ on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:01PM (#34824985)

Ok but don't you have to weigh that against the potential of avoiding accidents by reacting quicker then you as a human can?

I have defiantly seen cases where FSD Beta stopped and the driver didn't understand instantly understand why.

Or simpler cases where the car follows a lane while the driver wasn't paying attention (adjusting the radio or whatever). Those can easily lead to an accident but are unlikely to if you are in FSD.

How do you make that calculation?

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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by root_axis on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:13PM (#34825207)

The calculation is easy, FSD does the wrong thing so often that there's no question a human driver is safer.

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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by panick21_ on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:27PM (#34826550)

The question is not if FSD makes mistakes, its if FSD+a human driver monitoring is worse then a human driver.

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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by root_axis on Friday February 17, 2023 @12:15AM (#34831063)

All the available scientific evidence suggests these systems diminish driver focus and attention which definitely makes them less safe since these systems can't be operated safely without an attentive driver.

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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by panick21_ on Saturday February 18, 2023 @02:35PM (#34850243)

I have seen some evidence bases on some limited lane keeping systems that suggest this. But not on systems that are as advanced as FSD Beta for inner-city with the same amount of forcing the drives attention systems.

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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by ceejayoz on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:48PM (#34823649)

Consider the possibility that you might both be right. Two people may have vastly different experiences with FSD, depending on the routes they take and other variables.

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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by ricardobeat on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:10PM (#34825143)

Also some people may have a very low tolerance for the car not driving like they would. It does make you uncomfortable .

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