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Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by ajross on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:43PM (#34823550)
Ditto. Most fun I've had in a vehicle in my whole life. A robot drives me around every day, and the worst misfeatures are that it's too timid at stop signs and left turns, makes poor lane choices sometimes (oops, can't turn, will go around), occasionally zipper merges like a jerk (yes, technically you can use that lane, but if you try you'll get honked at -- car doesn't care).

But the company is run by an asshole who people love to hate, so... everything it does is Maximally Wrong. There's no space for reasoned discourse like "FSD isn't finished but it's very safe as deployed and amazingly fun". It's all about murder and death and moral absolutism. The internet is a terrible place, but I guess we knew that already. At least in the meantime we have a fun car to play with.

Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by clouddrover on Friday February 17, 2023 @01:42PM (#34838615)
> FSD isn't finished

"Full self-driving" has not been delivered after years worth of lies. It isn't about "murder and death and moral absolutism". It's about fraud.

Your vehicle is a dead end. It will not be upgraded to the latest hardware. It will not attain "full self-driving".

Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by ajross on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:49PM (#34839494)
This is a "me or your lying eyes" argument. It drives my kids to school. Why is it so important to you that I not enjoy the product I purchased and love? You realize you aren't going to win an argument like that, right? You think I'm going to just wake up and realize that it can't do what I see it do?
Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by clouddrover on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:05PM (#34841241)
It doesn't matter how you rationalise it to yourself or how irresponsible you are in using it. Your car does not do full self-driving. It is stranded on Hardware 3. It will not get Hardware 4 unless a lawsuit enforces it: https://electrek.co/2023/02/15/tesla-self-driving-hw4-comput...

Tesla has lied about full self-driving for years: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...

Tesla has admitted to false advertising around full self-driving: https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-dr...

Tesla has admitted that they have failed to deliver full self-driving. Tesla is now scrambling around trying to avoid being done for fraud: https://electrek.co/2022/12/07/tesla-self-driving-claims-fai...

If even Tesla can admit it, find a way to admit it to yourself.

Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by ajross on Saturday February 18, 2023 @09:58AM (#34847343)
> Your car does not do full self-driving.

It literally drives itself. You're hiding behind a semantic argument about what "full" means, and how autonomy is deployed. It's the "Money Printer Go Brrr...." meme.

You don't seem to be able to understand that the product as deployed has value to its purchasers, and that's leading you to some really emotionally dark places. I mean, it shouldn't be this upsetting to you that I like my car, and yet it clearly is. Just... maybe just don't? Let it go. You know these cars are safe as deployed. Let the Tesla nuts have their fun.

Re:Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving be... by clouddrover on Saturday February 18, 2023 @05:31PM (#34851774)
> You're hiding behind a semantic argument about what "full" means

No, I'm "hiding" behind the truth. I'm "hiding" behind the benchmark Tesla very publically sets for itself. Every year. Year after year:

https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne...

> that's leading you to some really emotionally dark places

Okay, this is just sad now. It's like a kind of Stockholm syndrome. Cult members go one of two ways when confronted with realities which contradict their beliefs: they either finally recognise the silliness of their beliefs or they become even more ardent believers.

It's better to try to find a way to be objective. You shouldn't let people con you and you certainly shouldn't propagate the lie.