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Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by tapoxi on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:29AM (#34819069)
Not only that but they've made suspicious ties with the Kremlin that resulted in it being unblocked in Russia and have a mysterious source of funding after TON collapsed.
Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by throwaway13337 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:40AM (#34819203)
I'd love to hear more about this.

I thought Pavel Durov (founder) isn't really welcome in Russia. He seems to have a left a lot of money on the table with his previous company (VK) to get out of there.

The interpretation of events with telegram I've always heard has been that Russia tried to block telegram but doing so blocked most of the rest of useful services as telegram was hosted on e.g. AWS. This meant that real work was slowed. In the end, they gave up because continuing the block would mean crippling their access to the internet.

I have found it weird that pro-putin russians still use telegram. But it seems like a lack of discipline which is quite the plague of russian military.

I'd genuinely love to get good information on this as I use telegram as it is a great piece of technology and wouldn't if it were collaborating with russian government. I think a lot of rumors do not distinguish between russian people and russian government. And that's pretty damaging.

Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by tapoxi on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:44AM (#34819243)
Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by fernandotakai on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:31AM (#34819941)
as a counter point, here's telegram's answer to this article https://telegra.ph/Wired-Errors
Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by throwaway13337 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:00AM (#34819499)
While very long, it doesn't look like that article provides anything but speculation. What would you say is the key point? Where's the meat?

I know that it would be hard to get good evidence here but I still think the burden of proof lies on the more extreme claim. Which to me is that a company founded by someone fleeing oppression would work directly with the oppressor.

The example of messages appearing as 'read' does not imply to me that telegram is working with them - rather that the her app was compromised by other means. Otherwise, why create such a flaw in your monitoring?

Meduza - news organization criminally charged in russia operating in latvia - is mostly accessed in russia via telegram. It's hard but not impossible to imagine that the russian government would allow it to remain uncensored.

Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by tapoxi on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:07AM (#34819629)
The agreement with the Russian Government over "Terrorism" cases is not just speculation, but announced by both parties.
Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by throwaway13337 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:25AM (#34819864)
That would be damning if I could find a statement by telegram about how they are working with the russian government to deal with 'terrorism'.

I'm seeing quoted statements by the russian government in the article that I cannot verify elsewhere but I'm unable to see telegram making a statement from their side of working with the russian government.

I'm truly interested in getting to the bottom of this. This wired piece doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in it's trustworthiness but I'm unable to find something with more concrete sources or at least a better reputation.

Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by pdimitar on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:44AM (#34819248)
Interesting. Where can we read more?
Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by thewinnie on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:59AM (#34821372)
Can you read russian or translate it via google translate?

https://medium.com/@anton.rozenberg/friendship-betrayal-clai...

while the whole store is about on how Durov tried to sleep with authors wife and tried to put pressure on him using his work position, author did expose facts which very interesting:

- telegram office in sankt petersburg sharing same office that mail ru does (and mail ru basically is pro government org)

- telegram team still contributes to vkotankte and they do share some software components connect to online messaging

- most interesting russian oligarchs has very big influence on the products (vkontakte and telegram). While both productions trying to tell its not true, behind the doors they do have well established process of giving data when certain criterias are met

Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by ashwagary on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:00PM (#34824978)
Curious how good chatGPT is at translation. Tried it on Russian?
Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by thewinnie on Sunday February 19, 2023 @02:43PM (#34861073)
Have you tried?
Re:‘I will show you how safe Telegram is’ by ashwagary on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:35PM (#34863954)
Not yet but will next time I login.