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Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by phpisthebest on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @07:58PM (#34813452)
>>produced garbage they were trying to buy to save money (compared to fresh meat and produce).

This is one of the biggest lies in social "justice" circles.

Buying fresh meat and produce is NOT in anyway more expensive than buying premade crap. at most the cost is the same, but in reality it is often cheaper to make it fresh.

For example I can make a better lasagna, with better beef for about 25% lower price than I could buy the same size Stouffers Lasagna.

People buy garbage premade food because either they cant, or choose not to cook for themselves.

This "ohh the poor people at the walmart just dont have options" is frankly disinformation.

>>Just about everyone was overweight.

And how many of those were buying cases of soda?

Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by tnel77 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @08:05PM (#34813513)
While I agree overall, I think you are overlooking the time factor. Homemade lasagna vs something you throw in the microwave has a different time cost which is an important consideration for someone working multiple jobs.
Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by phpisthebest on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @08:16PM (#34813618)
Sure but then you do "poor mans lasagna" which is just the meat sauce and pasta with cheese on top.

you can do that in a Instapot with no fuss in the same amount of time it would take to make a store meal

There are plently of Quick and Easy ways to make your own healthy meals. For me I do Meal Prep Sundays, and make my own freezer meals. Far cheaper and better than the store bought.

Further I doubt many of them are "working multiple jobs" the vast majority of that junk food it likely coming from government assistance money, disability, etc because if as you said they are "hobbled to their mobility scooter" then chances are they found a doctor to put them on disability

Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by tnel77 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @08:45PM (#34813857)
I see you have never been poor. I hope you never learn the harsh realities of poverty in our country.

Edit: I remember watching my mom ration her insulin. I sure wish we could have been “welfare leeches” because that would have been super neat.

Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by karp773 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @09:35PM (#34814250)
I feel for your mother but the conversation was about food, not medicine. Food in America is the most affordable in the world relative to income. Medicine is, unfortunately, among the most unaffordable.
Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by phpisthebest on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:06AM (#34818146)
I grew up in a trailer park in the 80's and 90's. My toys were a old used bike and the woods behind the trailer park.

but no, I dont know anything about being poor....

Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by matthewmacleod on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @08:19PM (#34813639)
People buy garbage premade food because either they cant, or choose not to cook for themselves. This "ohh the poor people at the walmart just dont have options" is frankly disinformation.

If you are working two jobs to make ends meet, I imagine it becomes much more difficult to squeeze in the time to make a nice fresh lasagne.

I think the “food desert” issue can sometimes be overblown, but equally this nonsense idea that anybody who isn’t cooking from scratch is just stupid or lazy needs to die. It’s an absolutely perennial pet argument from some quarters and it just skips over so many complexities.

I have worked with and spoken to people dealing with these challenges over in the UK. A constant problem is the challenges people face in getting access to time, equipment and resources aside from food itself. How do you cook a lasagne if you work 14 hours? If you don’t have an oven? If you don’t have a refrigerator?

It really saddens me to see such surface-level, knee-jerk dismissal of complex problems.

Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by phpisthebest on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:11AM (#34818183)
What really shocks me is people have latched on to lasagna like it some insanely unachievable thing. Lasagna is a cheap and easy meal to make. I find it baffling that we have gotten to the point where a baked pasta dish is now "too hard" for people.

>> If you don’t have an oven? If you don’t have a refrigerator?

Is that really a problem for most people. Most of my family is on some kind of government assistance or in government housing, all of them have Ovens and Fridges.

Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by drekk on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:09AM (#34820522)
It doesn't matter how cheap or easy it is. It's easily an hour of prep work followed by an hour of cooking. Add in dishes/cleanup and you're at nearly 3 hours for the simple "baked pasta dish". Now go shop for that and make it after finishing your shift at your second day job. After 14 hrs of working and 3 hrs preparing/serving/cleaning dinner you can go straight to sleep and get 7 hours until the next day starts all over again.

Compare that to boiling water, throwing macaroni noodles in for 8 minutes, and stirring in a "cheese" packet. I can tell you which one I'm going with after a work day at two separate blue-collar jobs.

Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by matthewmacleod on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:02PM (#34825025)
Nobody thinks lasagne is “too hard” and you have not really read the responses.

I have literally no doubt whatsoever that there are people out there with all the time, knowledge, energy and equipment to cook themselves nice food, but who survive on ready-made or other more expensive food sources.

The problem is that every single discussion about this topic ends up with responses ignoring that it’s way more complex than “people who don’t make lasagne are lazy”. It’s a particular kind of facile that seeks simplistic solutions of complex issues.

This comes up as a public conversation at least once a year in the UK, when some politician inevitably says “I can feed a family of 12 for two pounds a day on fresh produce I collect from the bargain bin!” Meanwhile there are two million people in the UK living without a cooker.

Re:FDA advisers recommend approval of over-the-counter naloxone by hackerlight on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @08:52PM (#34813921)
You've rigged the deck by comparing microwaveable lasagna to homemade lasagna. The real comparison is between a bag of chips and homemade lasagna. Or between processed "cheese" that's actually 10% cheese, and real cheese. Or between "peanut butter" that's somehow only 30% peanuts, and real peanut butter that's 99% peanuts and 160% more expensive.