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Re:Speech is violence? Not if we want a liberal, intellectua... by rootusrootus on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:22PM (#34811612)
You can't really call it a marketplace of ideas, then, if your response is [metaphorically] a SLAPP. E.g. people weren't just critical of Justine Sacco, they tried to destroy her. Tell me again who the bad guys are?
Re:Speech is violence? Not if we want a liberal, intellectua... by anigbrowl on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:32PM (#34811759)
So what you dislike is groups of people coordinating their speech, it appears. How is this any different from coordination using price signals?
Re:Speech is violence? Not if we want a liberal, intellectua... by rootusrootus on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:52PM (#34812054)
So you're okay with mob justice, then? You feel pretty confident they'll never come for you?
Re:Speech is violence? Not if we want a liberal, intellectua... by anigbrowl on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @06:24PM (#34812450)
The courteous response would be to answer my question rather than deflecting from it.

But since you ask, I am not okay with it in many contexts and my confidence estimates are applied to individual situations rather than being general. I have had experience of being attacked by mobs, both online and physically. I have scars from being kicked in the head and stabbed in the leg during such an attack. I've separately been arrested and jailed on specious charges over political activity (more than once) and obtained dismissal of charges in court. And I have been the target of both verbal and physical violence on many, many occasions, often both on the same occasion. So I come at this question with very extensive first hand knowledge of how such arguments can play out.

So now, would you care to respond to the question I asked: how do you think coordinated speech in a marketplace of ideas differs from coordination of buying or selling in response to price signals?

Re:Speech is violence? Not if we want a liberal, intellectua... by Zetice on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:37PM (#34811818)
How should a marketplace of ideas work, then?
Re:Speech is violence? Not if we want a liberal, intellectua... by rootusrootus on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:53PM (#34812074)
You attack the idea, not the person.

If you go after the person, you are not participating in any marketplace of ideas, you're now the one committing the violence.

Re:Speech is violence? Not if we want a liberal, intellectua... by vannevar on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @06:19PM (#34812397)
What if instead of verbally attacking a single person, you verbally attack a group of people? Is that committing violence?
Re:Speech is violence? Not if we want a liberal, intellectua... by Zetice on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @07:01PM (#34812860)
Isn’t that what’s happening? “The idea is repulsive so expressing it has consequences.”

Seems to be about the idea to me.