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Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by bmmayer1 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:36AM (#34806287)
How come 78% of low income fourth graders in NJ can't read?[0]

[0]https://acnj.org/newsroom/news-releases/nj-4th-graders-score...

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by Calavar on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:39AM (#34806365)
Title of that article: "NJ 4th Graders Score Low on Literacy, Still Ahead of Nation"

Throwing more money at the problem often makes some progress, but it's not always a definitive solution. Tough problems usually involve reorganizing processes, which tends to be harder than spending more money or recruiting more talented people.

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by ch4s3 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:54AM (#34806744)
It doesn't help that teaching programs in universities hold anti-science views about reading and reading comprehension and still cling to whole language nonsense. Furthermore they often reject broad cultural knowledge and vocabulary as key components of reading comprehension and insist that (despite evidence to the contrary) that it is a discrete skill that can be built in a vacuum.
Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by cbm-vic-20 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:42AM (#34806442)
A hypothesis- their school reading lessons aren't being reinforced at home. Maybe their parents are too busy to do that reinforcement, working long hours, etc. Or there's a housing stability issue that lower income families often encounter.

How are the other 22% of low income fourth graders able to read?

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by ch4s3 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:55AM (#34806761)
Moreover they aren't being taught vocabulary or to decode text at school so they're going to be pretty hopeless without parental instruction.
Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by om42 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:39AM (#34806358)
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Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by adamredwoods on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:42AM (#34806449)
You're misinterpreting the data and over-extending the definition of " scoring below proficient on national literacy tests".

The data from here: https://www.aecf.org/resources/2022-kids-count-data-book/aux...

Table 1.6. Confidence Intervals for States and Nation, 2009 and 2019 New Jersey 2019:

58.1% Percent of fourth graders not proficient in reading

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by bmmayer1 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @12:39PM (#34807508)
Do we really think this is much better?
Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by bastardoperator on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:48AM (#34806591)
Maybe socioeconomic status in this country does come with benefits... You're trying to make a different point while ignoring the more profound point.
Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by minhazm on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:50AM (#34806633)
Not being proficient does not mean they can't read, it's more that they're not "good" at reading. The same article says that the national numbers are even worse. The article only states that the gap between low income and wealthier students increased by 3% but it's not clear what the actual total difference is. If you look at the underlying data[1] you'll see that the national average is actually below proficient and that New Jersey is consistently above average, regardless of income. Certainly there is a difference in proficiency by income but there are far more factors at play there, most importantly the child's home life.

[1] https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading/states/scores/?gra...