News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by reidjs on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:15AM (#34801964)
Easy to track but not easy for a government to prevent transactions
Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by unicornmama on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:40AM (#34802136)
It’s hell of easy to prevent transaction. You publish a wallet blacklist and prohibit all exchange services from processing tainted bitcoins.
Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by Quindecillion on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @06:19AM (#34802403)
That's not transacting on the Bitcoin blockchain though.

Once you have access to Bitcoin on-chain and have other people willing to transact directly through Bitcoin, with no fiat intermediaries like exchanges... yeah, there's literally nothing anyone can do to stop the transaction from going through (eventually).

The end goal with Bitcoin is to bypass all the permissioned fiat rails eventually.

Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by oblio on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @06:39AM (#34802528)
> with no fiat intermediaries like exchanges

What's the volume of Bitcoin traded outside of exchanges? 0.0001%?

Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by oblio on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @09:10AM (#34803952)
Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong :-)
Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by ashwagary on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @10:15AM (#34804891)
>What's the volume of Bitcoin traded outside of exchanges

How could you ever know? A group of people could trade paper wallets with 1000s of Bitcoin trillions of times and no record of it would show up on chain.

Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by eru on Monday February 20, 2023 @03:16AM (#34866142)
Well, that's off-chain and requires trust. So it's arguably not bitcoin.

(It requires trust, because how do you prevent double spending attacks? Someone can just print out the same paper wallet twice.

You need to move the funds to an address you control to be sure.)

Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by ashwagary on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:51AM (#34869248)
>So it's arguably not bitcoin.

It's always Bitcoin in any scenario we can think of since value never ever leaves the chain, only the person with control of the on-chain value changes.

>Someone can just print out the same paper wallet twice.

I used "paper wallet" as a simple place holder, many tamper resistant one time use solutions exist, like Opendime.

Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by koonsolo on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @08:12AM (#34803324)
Why do people always want to talk about the old bitcoin technology? Try to do the same with Monero, good luck.
Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by unicornmama on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @01:10PM (#34808054)
OK. All Monero addresses are banned. Done.
Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by livueta on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @07:00PM (#34812839)
> banned

...from KYC exchanges. There's already tons of non-KYC darknet exchanges that will happily take your btc and give you xmr, at which point you're off to the races. Any attempt to extend requirements at KYC exchanges would spur further developments in non-KYC/decentralized swappers, as we've seen so far.

Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by unicornmama on Thursday February 16, 2023 @06:26AM (#34817380)
It’s not just about exchanges it’s about taxation. So long as governments can enforce taxation (e.g. income, sales, VAT). They maintain the power to restrict mediums of payment.

The world your proposing isn’t just about upending financial plumbing. It’s predicated upon uprooting government financial regulation. That would send us back to the dark ages of finance. That’s not something I support.

Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by livueta on Sunday February 26, 2023 @05:06PM (#34950037)
Sorry, completely forgot about this thread.

> It’s predicated upon uprooting government financial regulation.

Imo this is a positive, but that's a little besides the point - it is inevitable in the same way that encrypted communications are inevitable and don't care whether Australia decides its laws trump the laws of math. If you care about the ability to maintain taxation, etc, then riding the wave is vastly preferable to being crushed by it.

Re:Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure gr... by koonsolo on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:47PM (#34823620)
Banned from what? The internet? LOL