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Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday February 13, 2023 @06:42PM (#34782679)
Good news! You don't have to be anti-science because coffee is good for you.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/c...

> The bottom line: A large body of evidence suggests that consumption of caffeinated coffee does not increase the risk of cardiovascular diseases and cancers. In fact, consumption of 3 to 5 standard cups of coffee daily has been consistently associated with a reduced risk of several chronic diseases.

Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by actionablefiber on Monday February 13, 2023 @06:47PM (#34782727)
I’m curious if not drinking coffee is associated with getting a caffeine fix from less healthy sources (sodas, energy drinks) and if that is a potentially confounding factor.
Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by nickstinemates on Monday February 13, 2023 @07:05PM (#34782939)
Food seems to be a highly political thing, so most people take food studies with a grain of salt.
Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by RattlesnakeJake on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @08:02AM (#34788674)
Personally, I like to take food with a few grains of salt.
Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by JumpCrisscross on Monday February 13, 2023 @06:51PM (#34782766)
> consumption of 3 to 5 standard cups of coffee daily has been consistently associated with a reduced risk of several chronic diseases

Is this a standard coffee dose? Maybe I'm just sensitive to caffeine, but a two-cup day generally ends with me being jittery before a crash.

Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by DiabloD3 on Monday February 13, 2023 @07:00PM (#34782875)
Some people are caffeine hyper-metabolizers. You may be one.

And no, the "standard" coffee dose is a single "double"/"cafe" cup (ie, 12oz or ~350ml total) of drip or immersion or pour-over (extraction methods vary caffeine extraction, see recent James Hoffman video on an example of how much). Drink this cup somewhere between an hour after waking up and 8 hours before going to bed.

Anything more does not increase the focusing effect of caffeine much, but does greatly increase the side effects in some individuals. Anything more than that can drive up tolerance.

3-5 cups a day (measured in single 6oz/~125ml cups) would be too high of a dose (even if taken along that prescribed timing window, not in one go), and would also be driving up tolerance; however, this approximates the standard western use of it, ie, is "normal/average".

Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by gadflyinyoureye on Monday February 13, 2023 @06:56PM (#34782831)
A standard cup of coffee is 6 oz. https://fluentincoffee.com/coffee-cup-sizes-chart/

Most people have two standard cups for every one mug.

Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by Ferret7446 on Monday February 13, 2023 @07:06PM (#34782949)
Ignoring correlation != causation is also anti-science, although it seems to be widespread even among "science".
Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by admax88qqq on Monday February 13, 2023 @07:22PM (#34783157)
Correlation does not equal causation is one of the most widely misunderstood sciencey terms.

It would be better phrased as "correlation does not prove causation, but it does imply a relationship"

Yes just because something is correlated does not necessarily mean they the have a direct causal relationship, and more importantly it doesn't indicate which way a possible causal relationship would exist. But it does imply that they have a relationship, either directly or that they are both driven by a third force.

You have to apply some additional logic.

What's more likely?

A) Coffee consumption causes good health.

B) Good health causes coffee consumption.

C) Some other force causes improves health AND increased coffee consumption.

D) This is a spurious correlation.

B seems absurd. Or at least would have limited measurably effect. Yes healthy people are more able to drink coffee but it seems like such an effect would be limited.

C could be the case, but with coffee consumption being a deliberate action, if you believe in free will, a seems more likely.

Yes it could also be a spurious correlation, I guess that's possible too.

In this specific case, at the very least you can conclude that coffee is not acutely harmful. If coffee _was_ acutely harmful you would expect to see an inverse correlation between coffee consumption and general health.

Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by rileymat2 on Monday February 13, 2023 @07:14PM (#34783051)
This is true, but when you see correlation it is a great signal to look for causation.

But my question to you, in the event of a positive correlation and not having good causation data in either direction, a reasonable person may start to act on the correlation for qualitative reasons.

For example if an initial study of the past finds cigarette smoking correlated with lung cancer, a reasonable person might qualitatively know that smoke goes into the lungs so a lung cancer cause is reasonable and use that as enough reason to stop smoking. It would be unreasonable,IMO, to say “correlation != causation” and keep smoking.

Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by mythrwy on Monday February 13, 2023 @08:38PM (#34783949)
I find this cartoon funny. Sorry for the link.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/a0c9b063bf19079839a427ca1cb4ece...

Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by georgeplusplus on Monday February 13, 2023 @07:07PM (#34782966)
The science is now settled. No more science to be done here.
Re:Coffee won’t give you extra energy, just borrow a bit tha... by thefz on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @06:32AM (#34787976)
How much is a cup in espresso terms?