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Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by bsenftner on Monday February 13, 2023 @10:47AM (#34774957)
>The worst part of this disaster

...is the fact that nothing will change, and it is just a matter of time before this happens again, and again, and again.

Our media barely report, and then under report the seriousness. It may as well not exist, except for all the harm that will continue for decades.

But the executives and shareholders have record profits, so everything is fantastic, absolutely no reason to change.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by jerf on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:03AM (#34775246)
It is kind of interesting that the media seems to be softballing this. Usually their MO for this kind of disaster is hype, hype, hype, and sensationalism. Under most models of how the media works, this ought to be front page day & night, and if anything should be getting overestimated rather than under. Any internal mental model of how the media works that fails to integrate this should be getting challenged, and I'm still not sure how to do it myself. I can just see there's definitely a strong data point here.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by jollofricepeas on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:28AM (#34775642)
Both liberal and conservative media have our heads in the clouds right now both literally and figuratively.

The lead story has been balloons and aliens since before the derailment.

It doesn’t help that there’s still a war in Ukraine, a earthquake in the Middle East and the Super Bowl just happened.

It’s for these reasons that a “small-town Ohio issue” is further down on the media list of priorities.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by bsenftner on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @07:56AM (#34788621)
Kicker: there is no "liberal" or "conservative" media - there is only billionaire owned media dispensing what they deem the public's mind should be filled.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by lgbrandon on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @04:22PM (#34796214)
exactly. they just like pitting the little guy against each other so we don't look at them. Those making money and getting rich.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by lkschubert8 on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:17AM (#34775457)
More money invested in rail than would be made off the coverage by the relevant parties would be the simplest answer.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by thex10 on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:46AM (#34775957)
Maybe suppression is at play?

Apparently the rail operator lobbied against safety measures that could have mitigated the impact of this disaster. They probably have a decent PR budget... https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rule...

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by bsenftner on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:13PM (#34776491)
Hard news needs to be treated as a public service, as in a government agency with the same rights and abilities as federal agents. Hard news needs to have review authority above that of the local state government.

The natural state of human affairs is crony corruption, plain and simple; currently we allow multiple corrupt states (local, county, state, each corporation's internal affairs, etc...). We should just admit our natural corruption and observe that only one can be king, and that king already exists: our federal government. The Federal government ought to make it their primary mission, as the ruling top dog in our corrupt society, do destroy all other corrupt operations stealing from them.

We are an immature, petty civilization. Let's admit our immaturity, and perhaps mature a bit as a result.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by sangnoir on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:30PM (#34776849)
Have you factored in corporatism? Most large news media organizations in the US are owned by, or carry water for large corporations, and will never bring adequate coverage to stories that show labor in a favorable light, or show the malfeasance of corporations - unless it's corporation vs corporation.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by kodah on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:02AM (#34775235)
> Our media barely report, and then under report the seriousness

The national media isn't very good at representing issues outside of major cities. Events like this are largely unimportant to people living in the places they sell their stories to. In a way, you're not asking the media to change, you're asking Americans to care about those areas at all.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by yunwal on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:25AM (#34775600)
The Chinese balloons weren’t in a large metropolitan area. more likely explanation is that this story has a pro-labor narrative, and that’s not what media companies are paid to push.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by jollofricepeas on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:32AM (#34775701)
Let’s be fair…

The media chases clicks and attention.

News reading Americans rather read about “Is it China or aliens?”, the war in Ukraine, earthquake in Middle East and the Super Bowl than small-town Ohio.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by uoaei on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:02PM (#34776278)
The media chases money, and clicks and attention work for that, but so does other stuff, eg, bribery.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by yunwal on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:06PM (#34776370)
In what way is a fiery train derailment and cows dropping dead all over the region not a good story for clicks and attention? I guess the balloon feels a bit more whimsical but it feels like the more boring story.

In this instance, the simplest explanation really does seem to be financial conflict of interest.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by gruez on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:10PM (#34776437)
The balloon story is less about the balloon itself and more about the wider conflict between china and US.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by yunwal on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:24PM (#34776733)
”China conducts surveillance on US” is still not particularly exciting or novel news either way. Train derailment poisons an entire town is definitely the more eye-catching headline.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by gruez on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:31PM (#34776871)
>”China conducts surveillance on US” is still not particularly exciting or novel news either way

1. ”China conducts surveillance on US” gets plenty of clicks/attention. Just look at tiktok, and before that huawei/ZTE.

2. In this case specifically it's not just "China conducts surveillance on US", it's also arguably violating the territorial integrity of the US. For americans that's strikes much closer to home than shadowy hackers hacking from china.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by yunwal on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:52PM (#34777272)
> ”China conducts surveillance on US” gets plenty of clicks/attention.

Does it? As far as I can tell, the “TikTok spies on people” stories have all been met with “yeah, so does Facebook”. This is across pretty much the entire political spectrum. It seems to me that only the political/media class actually find it significant.

While it’s obviously too early to have non-anecdotal data on this, my instincts tell me very few people actually care or find it surprising that China “violated the territorial integrity of the U.S.” as if we’re not constantly flying drones over other world powers. It’s just standard operating procedure at this point.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by XorNot on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @03:58AM (#34787072)
The balloon story is being propped up by UFO conspiracy theorists and let's not pretend it's anything but that. They are absolutely going nuts over every "unknown object" being shot down. Every single mention on it here on HN is filled with people talking about it.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by lgbrandon on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @04:23PM (#34796233)
They gonna care when the crops and livestock we depend on from that area quit producing. And prices go up even more. This was insanely horrid the toll it is going to take on that region and the Country.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by Scoundreller on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:45AM (#34775931)
> The Chinese balloons weren’t in a large metropolitan area.

Do we know that? We mainly just know they weren’t shot down over one.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by yunwal on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:04PM (#34776330)
I mean, no we are not aware of a connection to any metropolitan area. Which is the point. If the lack of derailment coverage was just pro-metropolitan bias you wouldn’t expect Billings, MT to be receiving the entire attention of the media right now.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by kodah on Monday February 13, 2023 @05:14PM (#34781545)
These train derailings have been happening, which is my point. It took a particularly bad crash for it to get this level of attention.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by yunwal on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @03:05AM (#34786737)
I’m not sure this is relevant to the original discussion. Pro-metropolitan bias doesn’t explain the difference between how the 2 stories are being treated. Media’s class-alignment with railroad execs and politicians responsible for the disaster is a more reasonable explanation.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by kodah on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @03:07PM (#34795204)
I would say they're equally plausible. It's kind of gross that folks are so ready to deny that there's an over focus on metropolitan issues (I say that as someone that lives in a metro and has lived in a pretty rural area before). The immediate dismissal from folks does lend more credence to the idea that it's a societal bias.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by yunwal on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @03:37PM (#34795587)
I mean, I'm not denying that there's a metropolitan bias in the media, just that it doesn't explain why 2 stories that both happened in relatively rural locations got reported on differently.
Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by parasubvert on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:00AM (#34775206)
These sorts of accidents do not happen that often relative to the quantity of freight that moves. Put any economic system underneath the rail (or trucks) you want, accidents will still happen, as the demand for dangerous goods doesn't just evaporate.

It requires attention to detail combined with political will to improve safety.

Re:Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly t... by gamblor956 on Monday February 13, 2023 @01:16PM (#34777687)
Our media barely report, and then under report the seriousness. It may as well not exist, except for all the harm that will continue for decades.

You're joking right? This crash, and its potential consequences, has been covered by the NYT, WaPo, LAT, Chicago Tribune, NBC News, ABC News, CNN, Fox News, Reuters, AP, USA Today, and WSJ multiple times.

What sort of bubble do people live in that they have somehow managed to avoid all of the media coverage of this accident?