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Re:Important Advice for Creatives from the Richest Person in... by pavlov on Monday February 13, 2023 @06:44AM (#34772406)
The title is horrible but the content is pretty decent. It's about how Bernard Arnault, CEO of LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton, views his business.

"Arnault praised Apple as an excellent product and brand, but he doesn’t consider it a luxury brand. Why? It lacks timelessness. And timelessness is a magical quality."

I think Apple learned this point with the expensive flop of the first-generation Apple Watch Edition in 2015. They built the Apple Watch in gold-cased editions priced in the $10,000-15,000 range, set up show rooms in places like Dubai, and got a few celebrities like Beyoncé to wear one in pictures. Everything by the book for a luxury launch.

But everyone knows that their Apple products need to be replaced every couple of years. A luxury watch needs to be something you could imagine passing to your grandchildren (even if you don't actually do that and just end up selling the watch some time later, as many buyers do). An Apple Watch just stops getting updates after four years and becomes electronics junk, gold alloy or not.

In a rare misstep, the design and marketing departments at Apple were out of sync with the reality of their hardware product as part of a software-driven platform.

In a similar vein, 25 years ago Nokia was at the top and tried to create a separate luxury brand Vertu for $10k phones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertu

That didn't work out either because the devices were lacking the holistic combination of handcraft and creativity that Arnault would expect from a luxury product. They were simply ordinary Nokia phone guts in opulent metal cases. Vertu finally went bankrupt in 2017.

Re:Important Advice for Creatives from the Richest Person in... by phphphphp on Monday February 13, 2023 @07:00AM (#34772503)
I don't agree with that assessment. Passing luxury goods down from generation to generation is not common. The issue is much more with the immediate value of the product: the average luxury bag is used maybe a few times, likewise the churn in the world of high-end sports car is very high. The problem is not that Apple Watch's aren't timeless, it's that they are so saturated that you can't turn them into a luxury good because there's no signal associated with them. If I see a person wearing an Apple Watch I have no idea how much it's worth, it says nothing to me other than they have an Apple Watch. If I see someone driving a Ferrari, I know immediately that it's high value.

That's why you'll see people buy old barely functional luxury goods (like mid 2000s Lamborghinis which barely work any more) because most people don't realise they're dirt cheap now, and so the cost to signal ratio is very high. Look at Maseratis: awful garbage cars in most cases, but because they look nice, lots of people trying to signal wealth and success will buy them for cheap, despite an almost guarantee they'll be worthless.

Re:Important Advice for Creatives from the Richest Person in... by matwood on Monday February 13, 2023 @07:17AM (#34772623)
I agree with your point, but even items like an Apple Watch or iPhone have some signal, just much less than something like a Ferrari. Signal also differs based the group the person is in. I know many on HN think they are immune, but still buy the 100 core latest CPU and talk about it online for example.

Finally, LVMH may be critical of Apple in this article, but they would love to be in their position. Apple has mastered the art of selling things with Toyota volumes and Ferrari margins.

Re:Important Advice for Creatives from the Richest Person in... by bmitc on Monday February 13, 2023 @06:48AM (#34772426)
The primary push for the Apple Watch to be a luxury good came from Jony Ive.