Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by staunch on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @04:53PM
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IndexTank sold at a good time. Exactly why I wouldn't consider creating any kind of infrastructure like this.
I already use nearly all of AWS services, and I'll likely switch from Solr to whatever this is. They keep doing such a damn good job on features, reliability, and price.
Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by Ecio78 on Wednesday January 18, 2012 @02:55AM
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I'm currently evaluating which architecture is better for my startup project: I'm thinkin about hosting my own Solr instance (i've already used it in a Drupal project), using an external hosted Solr solution, using another engine (i.e. i discovered basex.org - anyone has used it? my data will be 90% XML) or something else. Probably I'll have to add this to the list...
edit: I didnt consider IndexTank but it seems interesting, I have just to understand if it's a good solution if you dont need social inputs
Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by acdha on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @06:55PM
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That's only relevant if all you do is search. If you're using a commodity search engine, as so many people are, an AWS offering lets you shrink the number of areas which you have to think about so you can focus on your big ideas.
Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by chrisacky on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @04:03PM
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I just spent the last week porting over our site from IndexTank to Solr.
I use practically every Amazon computing product already. If it is a Cloud Search Service, then I hope that it is inferior to running you own Solr stack in every shape and form. (Because I love Amazon so much I would proabbly start migrating everything again)./
Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by chrisacky on Wednesday January 18, 2012 @06:05AM
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A few reasons why I've migrated, and I prefix it with saying I've always been a big fan of IndexTank.
1) I was never interested in running my own Search stack. Now forced with the need to run IndexTank myself, this benefit was lost.. Seeing as I'd have to run IndexTank myself
2) Even though it's open source, I doubt that LinkedIn, will be accepting any pull requests.. I imagine that this is nearly the end of the massive development drive that has previously gone on. (Purely my own thoughts, I hope I'm wrong)
3) The faceting with tokenizers is more powerful in Solr. (non existant in IndexTank)
4) The categorization implementation in IndexTank was a little flawed. ie you couldn't create "Grouped" fields, that can contain multiple values. To do this, you had to invert the keys of the values, so that it maps like "Sony=>manufactuer" for example, where as in Solr, you can create manufacturer=>[Sony] and have multi value fields, such as theme=>[thriller,romance] etc.
5) Solr already has a Suggest more like these feature
6) The geo spatial stuff works better in Solr. Especially if you need facets on geo spatial documents to provide counts back.
7) 4.0 (available in trunk) has real time search. So no index rebuilding.
Don't misunderstand me in saying that IndexTank is poor.
IndexTank worked great, and I reall liked it. Perhaps my application just outgrew the features that it could offer and Solr became the obvious choice.
Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by suprgeek on Wednesday January 18, 2012 @01:46AM
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Great move by Amazon, consolidating its position for all things cloud. However, I am always disappointed by the search on Amazon's own site. rarely has it produced the exact thing I am looking for.
One hopes that this Search Service is much (infinitely) better than their current search technology.
Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by esrauch on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:49PM
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The thing about that kind of thinking is that if you think it, then it is almost certainly true that institutional investors think it too, and then the stock price is already appropriately high.
Amazons PE ratio is something like 100 which is extremely high, Google and Apple are both in the ~15 range. People are already valuing Amazon much much higher compared to it's earnings than other major tech stocks.
Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by esrauch on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @08:02PM
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They have people whose entire job is solely to understand the significance of announcements like this, if developers understood better then they would just hire developers. Either that is true, and they hired developers whose entire job is to evaluate the impact of things like this, or else developers aren't as good at predicting the effect of announcements like this. It would be extremely foolish to assume that people wielding literally billions of dollars are too stupid to ask the right people before deciding how to value something.
Re:Amazon to Launch Cloud Search Service, Possibly Tomorrow
by esrauch on Wednesday January 18, 2012 @01:10AM
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My point is only that any given nonexpert very rarely outperforms an expert in any field. If you are a nonexpert you should always temper your beliefs; if you thought of it then why haven't the experts? Sometimes they will have thought of it but not executed for some reason, but something that seems simple and obvious usually seems that way because it actually is.
I already use nearly all of AWS services, and I'll likely switch from Solr to whatever this is. They keep doing such a damn good job on features, reliability, and price.
edit: I didnt consider IndexTank but it seems interesting, I have just to understand if it's a good solution if you dont need social inputs
"If you make anything good, you're going to have competitors, so you may as well face that. You can only avoid competition by avoiding good ideas."
-- http://www.paulgraham.com/startupmistakes.html
I use practically every Amazon computing product already. If it is a Cloud Search Service, then I hope that it is inferior to running you own Solr stack in every shape and form. (Because I love Amazon so much I would proabbly start migrating everything again)./
Do you mind explaining why? Since IndexTank was opensourced, what are the benefits you found of Solr over IndexTank?
1) I was never interested in running my own Search stack. Now forced with the need to run IndexTank myself, this benefit was lost.. Seeing as I'd have to run IndexTank myself
2) Even though it's open source, I doubt that LinkedIn, will be accepting any pull requests.. I imagine that this is nearly the end of the massive development drive that has previously gone on. (Purely my own thoughts, I hope I'm wrong)
3) The faceting with tokenizers is more powerful in Solr. (non existant in IndexTank)
4) The categorization implementation in IndexTank was a little flawed. ie you couldn't create "Grouped" fields, that can contain multiple values. To do this, you had to invert the keys of the values, so that it maps like "Sony=>manufactuer" for example, where as in Solr, you can create manufacturer=>[Sony] and have multi value fields, such as theme=>[thriller,romance] etc.
5) Solr already has a Suggest more like these feature
6) The geo spatial stuff works better in Solr. Especially if you need facets on geo spatial documents to provide counts back.
7) 4.0 (available in trunk) has real time search. So no index rebuilding.
Don't misunderstand me in saying that IndexTank is poor. IndexTank worked great, and I reall liked it. Perhaps my application just outgrew the features that it could offer and Solr became the obvious choice.
Amazons PE ratio is something like 100 which is extremely high, Google and Apple are both in the ~15 range. People are already valuing Amazon much much higher compared to it's earnings than other major tech stocks.
http://www.quora.com/Amazon-Web-Services/Why-doesnt-Amazon-o...