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Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by Symmetry on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:01PM (#3475747)
Even not considering financials, I'd expect at least 1 death from people looking up medical information and not being able to get it if Google was entirely gone for a whole day.

EDIT: Of course most reasonable people will contact a medical professional rather than an internet search engine, that's why I guessed "at least 1" instead of "at least a couple hundred".

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by jiggy2011 on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:22PM (#3476104)
Turning google of would effectively turn the internet off for many people. Not sure about deaths (it's possible I guess). I could see the following implications:

Tech support line for every ISP would be ringing off the hook all day. The same for IT support providers as people assume their PC has been hacked or has a virus.

Google receive 1000s of complaints from people swearing to move to bing.

A number of companies get sued due to contractual agreements that somehow relate to websites being accessible to search etc or because emails are not replied to because someone couldn't access their webmail etc.

Hundreds of thousands of homework assignments are not done.

Spike in number of births due to people having sex instead of going online.

SOPA still gets passed.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by kzrdude on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @03:17PM (#3476291)
Google going dark would be extremely interesting and a valuable lesson for society (that it will fail to understand of course).
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by jiggy2011 on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @03:23PM (#3476314)
True, but I don't think it's a lesson that google wants them to learn.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by huskyr on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:10PM (#3476726)
All those homework assignments are done using Wikipedia. It will be very interesting to see what will happen tomorrow when people can't look up stuff there.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by RobAtticus on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:58PM (#3476921)
Probably the same way I did before Wikipedia: by Googling the topic.

It's nice having all the relevant references on one page, but search results aren't usually too difficult to master either.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by cscheid on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:17PM (#3475821)
Of course, this would need to be weighed against the probability that if SOPA passes, someone _else_ could die from not being able to look up some information because of SOPA.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by math_is_life on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:35PM (#3475903)
I am against this bill, but this kind of comment is absurd. SOPA could censor Google when it comes to piracy (and as most things do, it will end up being corrupt for many more things), but I fail to see how important information to save lives would be blocked. The Government will not take down Google and most normal searches would be intact.

The bills need to die, but sensationalism is not the way to stop it.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by cscheid on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:45PM (#3475952)
(Do you agree that "Having Google's DNS blacked out because Google linked to a copyrighted sitcom transcript" a possible outcome if SOPA passes?)

My comment was that you need to calculate the expected loss on both sides: if you do something and if you do not do it.

I wasn't even claiming that Google _does, in fact, save lives_; I was claiming that if you say "X will be lost if Y is done", you need to also say ", which is better than the expected Z loss if Y is not done".

Please do not insert your assumptions into my comment.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by nyellin on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:00PM (#3476019)

  Do you agree that "Having Google's DNS blacked out because Google linked to a copyrighted sitcom transcript" a possible outcome if SOPA passes?
No. Absolutely not.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by LisaG on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:25PM (#3476112)
Is your reasoning because "The Government will not take down Google and most normal searches would be intact."? I am not sure I would put too much faith in the thinking that Google will get special dispensation from the government because it is so useful to so many people. Google is vulnerable to SOPA. In fact they are vulnerable on more than one front.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by electromagnetic on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:47PM (#3476195)
I think the problem here is that google, and potentially any company, would be well within their rights to sue the federal government for damages and let a judge determine the merit for the take down.

Given that google makes approximately 3.5 million USD an hour, a take down and lengthy court battle could put the federal government on the line for billions of dollars. Not only in damage to revenue, but in loss of customers and customer conversion. If google lost even 1% of its users the government could have to pay for loss of future income.

IMO stopping SOPA/PIPA is protecting the government itself. A law isn't real until its tested in the supreme court. The major Tech companies run patent cases against each other like they're just trying to keep their lawyers busy. I don't know why the government would want to get on the wrong side of these multinational corporations. Sorry, but if too great an expense is placed on them by the government then it'll quickly become surprisingly cost effective to move entirely overseas.

Honestly I wouldn't mind. I live in Canada, I wouldn't mind the house prices in the Greater Toronto Area sky rocketing with a massive tech influx. I mean it'd be the greatest property market hike in fifty-years.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by philwelch on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @03:42PM (#3476378)
Google will fold. They folded to the Chinese for years, and they will fold for SOPA.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by amalcon on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @10:26PM (#3477751)
Do you agree that "Having Google's DNS blacked out because Google linked to a copyrighted sitcom transcript" a possible outcome if SOPA passes?

For what it's worth, this is an unlikely outcome with Google (or Wikipedia) as it is now. It would have easily been possible with Google (or Wikipedia) as it was back in 2000.

That's the real danger: SOPA is unlikely to shut down Google or Wikipedia, but it could easily prevent the next Google or Wikipedia from getting off the ground.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by hyperbovine on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:02PM (#3476027)
And he was saying Z = 0. Calm down.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by jmsduran on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:04PM (#3475762)
When you have a medical emergency, you call 911 or go to the emergency room, not peruse Q & A sites for answers.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by acangiano on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:23PM (#3475846)
Many people want to figure out if they have a medical emergency or not, before calling 911. Especially in a country like the USA, where a visit can mean thousands of dollars of expense or even going bankrupt.

There are plenty of cases where it's hard for the layperson to determine if something is serious or not.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by travisp on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:10PM (#3475786)
While true, I'm sure that there are plenty of users who search for information about something they don't think is an emergency, and then find out it is.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by gnaritas on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:51PM (#3476893)
> When you have a medical emergency, you call 911 or go to the emergency room, not peruse Q & A sites for answers.

Life threatening, yes, but many people have ordinary emergencies likes burns and big cuts and won't go to ER because they know they can't handle the bill and will attempt to suck it up and self treat; even if it's not wise to do so. Emergency rooms aren't free; they have to treat you, yes, but they're going to bill you as well.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by Alex3917 on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:03PM (#3476693)
And then you die on the floor of the ER during your 8 hour wait to see a doctor, when you could have just saved your own life by doing a simple Google search.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by saalweachter on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @08:40PM (#3477435)
What about googling [emergency room near <zip code>]? I don't know where the closest hospital to where I live or work is, since I have (fortunately) never needed one.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by jQueryIsAwesome on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:15PM (#3475808)
Sometimes is better to do both.

For example: Intoxication by adulterated liquor can cause strong headache and (permanent) blindness; but if you search in Google you may find out that drinking pure Whisky right away can neutralize its effects.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by VMG on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:25PM (#3475854)
This sounds suspicious - care to cite any references?
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by nsr on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:39PM (#3475919)
Well, wikipedia has references in this section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol#Toxicity

Specifically, anything with a strong ethanol content will help, as the damage caused by drinking methanol results from the byproducts of you body processing the poison. The biological pathways that process methanol have a greater affinity for ethanol, so drinking whisky (or everclear or 151) or any other strong alcohol will keep you alive until your body has a chance to eject the methanol as a waste product.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by jQueryIsAwesome on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:55PM (#3476003)
It was just and hypothetical example, being honest: right now the only thing i could find is this link in Spanish:

http://www.bio-nica.info/Biblioteca/Gutierrez-Intoxicacion-M...

The theory is this: The consumption of ethyl alcohol (whisky/vodka) can prevent the conversion of methanol to formaldehyde and formic acid plus it extracts the toxic substance and neutralizes its metabolic effects.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by Bootvis on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:22PM (#3475839)
Really? cool! Honest question: do you have a reference for that? I can't find one Google but would like to know more.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by chc on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:09PM (#3476724)
Please do note that the GP said "adulterated spirits" — that is, rubbing alcohol and the like, which contain methanol. If you have normal alcohol poisoning (i.e. from ethanol drinks like beer, wine, vodka, etc.), drinking whiskey is a terrible idea.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by baddox on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @09:01PM (#3477491)
Are you a doctor?
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by chc on Wednesday January 18, 2012 @01:35AM (#3478340)
Well, no, but the fact that more ethanol isn't the cure for ethanol poisoning is not exactly MD-level subject matter.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by atakan_gurkan on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @04:13PM (#3476495)
http://www.politedissent.com/archives/905

See the 2nd paragraph after the warning banner. It might not look serious, but it is. This review is written by an MD.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by nikhilalmeida on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:56PM (#3476230)
I agree with you. Thousands of people use google to search for critical information and loss of that for a day would cause losses in the tune of millions of dollars (if not billions) for a number of companies. I dont think that can be justified in an effort to raise awareness. To me putting a black mark across their logo would be good enough with a link and video explaining why SOPA is bad and why could it stifle innovation.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by andyking on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:04PM (#3475763)
Surely the best place to find medical information is via your GP / doctor, not Google?
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by acangiano on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:17PM (#3475818)
Certainly, but there are plenty of situations when people will consult Google before figuring out that they are having a medical emergency. Someone could for example google for "vomit like ground coffee" and realize they are probably bleeding inside and need to rush to the ER.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by groaner on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:09PM (#3475784)
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by SilasX on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @03:28PM (#3476329)
Best along what dimension? Time? Common symptoms? You get to call up, wait for someone to become available, answer a ton of screening questions.

What if you don't have a regular doctor, because you haven't seen one in a while and just got your first real job? Well, you have to wait to establish a doctor/patient relationship before you get any advice.

Plus, have you ever actually tried to get a medical question answered without an appointment? They say to check with a doctor before taking tylenol, but realistically ... no.

In many cases, yes, an online diagnostic is going to be much faster and about as accurate as the doctor.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by adpowers on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:34PM (#3476151)
Try searching for [poison control] or [suicide]. Both of those bring up one boxes with phone numbers to call. Those probably help save a couple lives per day. Sure, you could call 911 and have them give you the poison control number, but now you've tied up 911 resources.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by pipeline_tux on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:52PM (#3476218)
I'm sure that the 911 operator won't mind, especially if it is or could be a genuine emergency.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by mindcrime on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:34PM (#3476814)
Speaking as a former 911 operator, I can say fairly certainly that a 911 operator won't object to you calling to try and access the poison control center. They'll probably just transfer you, OR (more likely, depending on the policies of the jurisdiction in question) go ahead and dispatch an EMS crew to your location.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by burgerbrain on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @08:36PM (#3477425)
I would think that the time saved not looking up those numbers yourself and just dialing 911 would make it worth always dialing 911.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by jiggy2011 on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @02:33PM (#3476145)
What about people in the US without medical insurance? They have a problem but want to consult online first to see if they can justify the cost of a doctors visit.

I'm sure this happens.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by a_a_r_o_n on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:53PM (#3476898)
Been exactly there, done exactly that.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by gnaritas on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:49PM (#3476878)
> via your GP

You do realize tens and tens of millions of people don't have GP's right?

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by keithnoizu on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @03:37PM (#3476366)
"Darnit, googles down. Should we try yahoo to look up pa's symptoms?"

"Nah he just has a pain in his shoulder and shortness of breath, he'll be fine, lets play some games on facebook"

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by fragsworth on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @05:17PM (#3476748)
Google shutting down would probably cause a significant amount of awareness of the existence of Bing. This could be devastating to them. I would never expect a complete shutdown.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by meroliph on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:03PM (#3475757)
I'm pretty sure there are other search engines that would still be available.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by BudVVeezer on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:31PM (#3475879)
My mom still uses Bing to search for Google to get to the website...
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by btilly on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @04:47PM (#3476630)
I am sadly unable to tell whether you are serious.

http://xkcd.com/763/ relates.

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by acangiano on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:14PM (#3475805)
Plenty of people don't know any other search engine but "the Google".
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by rometest on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:15PM (#3475811)
if people are looking at google for medical information during serious cases, we are in a very bad state.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by nekojima on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @01:39PM (#3475921)
I'd much rather use Google than the "medical" alternatives that were available a hundred years ago or are still widely used in developing countries. These can result in increased pain, suffering and deaths because of poor diagnosis or idiotic ineffectual traditional cures.

I'd pick Google over a witch doctor, religious medicine or herbal doctor every time!!

Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by philwelch on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @03:45PM (#3476399)
Religious nuts and herbal quacks get listed on Google too. As do anti-vax, homeopathy, and other non-scientific crap.
Re:Google will protest SOPA using home page by wahnfrieden on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @09:59PM (#3477672)
Indeed, and these things lead to unnecessary deaths. Very dangerous.