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Re:Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritis... by Spivak on Saturday February 11, 2023 @05:38PM (#34757138)
One school cuts their financial aid program, sucks but not illegal. Every school cuts their financial aid program, smells like price fixing. Students would have chosen a school with a more attractive financial aid program, which is a real effect — it’s super common to apply a bunch of similar schools and go to the one that gives you the most financial aid but the allegation is that all the programs dried up all at once and not going to college at all pretty much isn’t an option for a lot of fields.

Without some kind of intervention that prevents employers using college degrees for employment decisions we’re gonna be here a while.

Re:Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritis... by lolinder on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:59PM (#34757823)
> it’s super common to apply a bunch of similar schools and go to the one that gives you the most financial aid but the allegation is that all the programs dried up all at once and not going to college at all pretty much isn’t an option for a lot of fields.

Not going to one of the "elite" schools is, though, and it's not like financial aid disappeared at all the state schools.

The reputational difference between the state schools and the ivy league has been narrowing a lot in recent years in response to numerous scandals like this and a lot of improvement from the state schools. Is there any reason for the government to step in here, rather than just letting the ivy league continue to destroy its reputation?

Re:Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritis... by Spivak on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:09PM (#34759296)
Assuming it’s true, I think the government should step in because price fixing is illegal, really doesn’t matter who or why, and the students who paid more because of this scheme should be compensated.

And having all these schools’ names be dragged through the mud during the court proceedings will further your goal.

Re:Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritis... by graphe on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:42PM (#34759853)
Is price fixing illegal? It’s applied very inconsistently. Farmers have their prices fixed. Shkreli wasn’t so lucky. During hurricanes it was illegal to raise prices. But Nixon enacted a price freeze too.
Re:Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritis... by billiallards on Sunday February 12, 2023 @03:42PM (#34766708)
>The reputational difference between the state schools and the ivy league has been narrowing a lot in recent years in response to numerous scandals like this and a lot of improvement from the state schools.

The elite schools are considered "elite" not because they offer a better education, but because they ensure that your classmates will be valuable network contacts after you graduate.

From the perspective of the school, admitting people who are already wealthy/successful is preferable to admitting people who may become successful in the future. The school's status depends on having a disproportionately large population from the former group.

They act this way because the business world works similarly: you are more valuable if you are already on a first-name basis with high-level executives and politicals, because you can listen to the wind and bring your contacts in on the businesses that you are involved in.

All of that is a long-winded rephrasing of the old truism: it's not about what you know, but who you know.

Re:Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritis... by FormerBandmate on Sunday February 12, 2023 @06:05PM (#34768129)
> All of that is a long-winded rephrasing of the old truism: it's not about what you know, but who you know.

This is how organizations die, political, corporate, non-profit, or any other type. People who are good at knowing other people frequently aren’t the best person for the job, and selecting for newcomers who are good at knowing other people over work leads to aristocrats and manipulative sociopaths taking over, and then you have GE, a company that lost its ability to innovate, could only copy hot trends popular among Wall Street poorly, moved into finance and oil despite having no expertise in these fields to the tune of billion dollar losses, and is now a mess in the process of being broken up and dissolved.

On a much greater scale, Putin’s Russia works a lot like this, which has led it to become an incompetent brutal dictatorship that terrorizes its citizens and also can’t even take over Ukraine, one of the poorest country in Europe and its direct neighbor, because everyone who was competent got pushed out or killed.