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Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by coldtea on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:13AM (#34752418)
There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy.

In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the country eating some of the worst quality food in the Western world, cooked the worst ways, in the worst portions, and with the worst mass production integredients. Or perhaps an overcorrection.

The average Italian, for example, should, and definitely, would just laught this off.

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by B8MGHCBekDuRi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:40AM (#34752668)
> The average Italian, for example, should, and definitely, would just laught this off.

we don't even drink that much, compared to other countries.

we simply enjoy it, even if it doesn't make our life longer, like many other activities that are not even enjoyable.

https://ourworldindata.org/alcohol-consumption

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by freehorse on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:27AM (#34753167)
Plus, drinking together with food instead of on an empty stomach (as more common in more northern cultures) slows down absorption allowing more time for the liver to process the alcohol before it reaches the brain and other organs, if we are talking about a standard dosage (a glass of wine etc). Even if this is not enough for the liver (even with a glass of wine and full stomach it will not be able to process alcohol without getting overloaded), it is definitely better than binging beers on empty stomach, as less alcohol will be in circulation and reaching organs for less amount of time. But then, how often one does that matters too.
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by skeeter2020 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:32AM (#34753220)
At a recent physical I was talking about this with my doctor. This can reduce the toxicity effects but actually increases the contact time and the carcinogenic impact, so might be better for your liver but have a higher cancer risk. I was like, "damn..."
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by coldtea on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:55AM (#34753998)
Living in cities with the stress, smog, air pollution, noise, etc. is a much bigger cancer risk than some wine in one's liver though
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by 6d6b73 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:21AM (#34752482)
If you need alcohol to have a joyful life - I'm sorry for you.
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by coldtea on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:22AM (#34752488)
If you need to have a strict health-based regiment for eating and drinking to have a joyful life, I'm even sorrier for you.

In the end, it's less about health and living life to the fullest, and more about a modern hysteria based on fear of living (or fear of the thought of our eventual demise, which is the same).

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by berndi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:29AM (#34752569)
The vast majority of people enjoy drinking and do so responsibly.

I absolutely respect people who drink in a measured way to enrich their life, instead of trying to maximize their lifespan by some minuscule amount.

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by BirAdam on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:30AM (#34752575)
Joy and need are not necessarily related things. Get over yourself.
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by rco8786 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:32AM (#34752589)
Everybody needs things to have an enjoyable life. Alcohol can be one of those things. It can also destroy your life, of course. As can too much sugar, too much sun exposure, etc etc
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by fernandotakai on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:45AM (#34752710)
hell, too much exercise can mess you up!

"everything in moderation including moderation" is a good adage to go by, imho.

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by B8MGHCBekDuRi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:26AM (#34752532)
if you think that enjoying stuff is bad, I'm sorry for you.

I also don't need carbonara, pizza, gelato, the beach, snowboarding, my friends, my family to survive...

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by terminalcommand on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:29AM (#34752570)
Do you need sugar, red meat, fat to have a joyful life? You do, don't you. Having a glass of wine or two should be treated the same.

If you have religious reservations, please use your energy to fight off islamists who deal drugs, take bribes and marry with young children. Those sin more than people who indulge in a glass of wine or two.

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by selimthegrim on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:35AM (#34752618)
How did we get here from a thread about alcohol prohibition? Are they an existential threat in your country?
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by terminalcommand on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:58AM (#34754022)
In fact it is, Į live in Turkey. I have seen to many religious hypocrites.
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by selimthegrim on Sunday February 12, 2023 @10:27AM (#34763507)
Erdogan is awful but Gülen would have been orders of magnitude worse (see Erdogan’s recent remarks about religion and modernity)
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by terminalcommand on Sunday February 12, 2023 @01:14PM (#34765190)
Well, for example we are currently experiencing 80% p.a. inflation, because Islam forbids interest rates. Gulenists were religious extremists but they were at least somewhat educated. Erdogan and his crew are not. We are turning against science and into a medieval interpretation of Islam each day. It is very frightening.
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by FollowingTheDao on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:25AM (#34752520)
If you need to judge people for what they enjoy to have a joyful life I’m sorry for you.
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by sremani on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:47AM (#34752726)
Alcohol is so culturally embedded in West the replies here are so sad. Alcohol is poison and it fucks up kidney, liver and brain. Sets cortisol base levels higher and perpetuates a habit in such a way that, you HAVE to drink to feel normal and relaxed. This cycle perpetuates and you associate alcohol with relaxation all the while alcohol is imposing higher and higher tax on you.

It is like a robber - robbing $100 when you are sleeping and giving $50 when you visit them. Its the unawareness that you are being robbed of hundred makes him look like a good guy.

note: I do not mind your downvote.. but if you are downvoting - please schedule a bloodwork and take a look at your numbers.

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by B8MGHCBekDuRi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:55AM (#34753994)
then don't drink and live a better life than anybody else.

animals enjoy alcohol too[1], it's not simply cultural and it's not a "west only" thing.

> all the while alcohol is imposing higher and higher tax on you.

assuming it's true, I very much prefer the alcohol tax than the 80 hours work week and only 7 days/year of holidays tax

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-alcoholics...

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by rs999gti on Saturday February 11, 2023 @01:43PM (#34754988)
How do you know if someone is a teetotaler?

Don't worry they'll tell you.

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by HEmanZ on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:50AM (#34752750)
I half agree, the keyword being “need”.

There’s no reason you can’t have a joyful life without alcohol. The biggest joys in life don’t directly correlate with it.

But, a good glass of wine with a nice meal adds something beautiful. The dinner parties where everyone is 3 glasses in produce some of the most memorable, happy, joyful conversations of my life.

There’s a reason that throughout history people always mention “moderation” with respect to alcohol. In moderation, it adds a unique pleasure to being alive. You don’t need it, but it’s nice to have.

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by B8MGHCBekDuRi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:59AM (#34754032)
> In moderation, it adds a unique pleasure to being alive

as the old adage says: In medio stat virtus

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_medio_stat_virtus

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by xxs on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:53AM (#34752786)
That's so dishonest; c'mon man - there are millions (likely billions) of people who enjoy a drink, I am rather confident you have absolutely no sorry given for the extreme vast majority, nor it bothers you.
Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by rs999gti on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:54AM (#34752799)
> I'm sorry for you.

We don't think about you at all

Re:No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health by misiti3780 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:54AM (#34752804)
I bet you're a fun person to hang out with!