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Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by lanstin on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:01PM (#34744091)
If we had started a serious decarbonization 20 yeats ago, sure, but solar is now so cheap and easy that it will be harder for large scale nuclear to ramp up in time to matter. Maybe those container nuclear plants and maybe the last 20% of base capacit by 2040. But slowing solar in deference to nuclear would prolong the era of high atmospheric carbon.
Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by munk-a on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:42PM (#34744692)
Both certainly have their place and the balance has definitely shifted from where it was thirty years ago - renewables are much more competitive now but I think Nuclear has a pretty critical role to play when it comes to surge capacity.
Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by tonyarkles on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:20PM (#34744377)
> but solar is now so cheap and easy that it will be harder for large scale nuclear to ramp up in time to matter

There's still the storage and base load problem. But I am 100% with you that we shouldn't slow solar in deference to nuclear; what we should be doing is mapping out what we want our next generation energy mix to look like (solar, wind, pumped storage, nuclear, geothermal, etc) on a regional basis, stop fucking around and arguing about it, and just get on with building it.

I live in an area (Canadian prairies) where max energy consumption lines up with with minimum solar and wind production (-40C in December on a calm night). Even during the day, those calm bitterly cold days only have about 8 hours of sunlight from a sun that barely comes over the horizon. We're starting to build solar, we've had wind for a while, but even though we've committed to building SMR Nuclear, we're still in a situation where we've got coal and natural gas plants that are approaching EOL and they'll likely be replaced/retrofitted to burn more fossil fuels because we won't have any sufficiently reliable baseload ready.

Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by bryanlarsen on Friday February 10, 2023 @07:42PM (#34748197)
The Canadian prairies have fabulous solar production, even in the winter time. They also have a good amount of wind.

And BC has tons of hydro.

So build out enough renewables to supply BC when the sun is shining, maybe even enough to pump some water uphill, and then have BC hydro supply the prairies at other times.

Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by tonyarkles on Friday February 10, 2023 @08:22PM (#34748500)
So I’m looking at this from the perspective of completely eliminating fossil fuels from my home. Not just electricity, but heating as well. I want solar to win, but here’s the numbers I get from looking at December/January this year (my bills don’t quite line up cleanly on month boundaries):

863 m^3 of natural gas -> ~9100 kWh of heating energy

Assuming (generously) that I can get a COP of 3, even though that’s unrealistic at the miserable temperatures we had over the last few months, that’s ~3000 kWh for electric heat pump heat.

Electricity was about 745kWh for the month, so 3750kWh total between heat pump heating and electricity.

https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/ma... shows 3.5kWh/mo/m^2 for December and 4.4kWh/mo/m^2 for January. Let’s go with January to be generous.

3750kWh/mo / 4.4kWh/mo/m^2 = 852 m^2 = 9170 sq.ft. of solar required to cover both my electricity and heating needs.

If I look at just electricity it’s a lot easier. 745 / 4.4 = 169m^2 = 1800 sq.ft. which is essentially the same footprint as the house. Heating completely kills it though and is, I suspect for most people, an even larger source of carbon than their electricity use. At least looking at those two bills, there’s an $88 carbon tax charge on the natural gas bill and only $8 on the electrical bill.

Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by bryanlarsen on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:35AM (#34751416)
Yeah, I'm not sure if rooftop can quite cut it for Saskatchewan like it can for Australia for instance.

I've got one family member in Saskatchewan with rooftop solar looking at numbers similar to you. Another has 40 acres and a honey operation so just has ground mounted solar and often zeroes his electricity bill even during winter months, although he's still using gas for heating. Just got a heat pump water heater, so he's heading in that direction.

Saskatchewan has lots of land, so we we can do it collectively even if we can't do it ourselves just with roof tops.

Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by tonyarkles on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:29AM (#34753184)
Yeah, like, the nice thing about those numbers is that it does work out that solar can very clearly be an effective part of the mix. Out at our family’s farm, there’s a pretty much perfect spot for a long line of solar panels at the south end of the yard that would have no problem zeroing out the electrical bill (is SaskPower still doing net metering? I don’t even know) and probably reducing some of the gas bill as well.

As far as the urban spots go, my electricity+gas numbers there approximately match the size of the entire lot. Extrapolating a bit and assuming that my house is “average”, that works out to needing a solar farm about the size of Regina to power the city in the winter. Maybe half the size when considering all of the street area.

Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by bryanlarsen on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:35PM (#34757634)
>is SaskPower still doing net metering?

As of last year they just give a 25% credit.

Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by jabl on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:15PM (#34744297)
How about we stop this ridiculous nuclear vs. renewables culture war, while fossil fuels are laughing all the way to the bank? Yes, we should build more solar (and even as a 'nuke bro', seeing solar prices drop at the rate they have is one of the genuinely positive news in the otherwise pretty dystopic climate change discourse), we should build more nuclear, we should build wind, we should build more hydro (though not that much potential left), we should build transmission, we should build storage.
Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by nomel on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:07PM (#34744190)
> so cheap and easy

I think this is a little misleading, unless there' a good story for storage and long distance power transmission, which I haven't seen yet.

Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by dools on Friday February 10, 2023 @03:55PM (#34745717)
China’s doing amazing work on long distance transmission using high voltage DC:

https://youtu.be/rThkjp-bp8M

Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by Aloha on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:09PM (#34744217)
I think we could build 100 plants in under a decade - it takes us being willing to build them assembly line like, meaning no more 'designed for the site' plants.
Re:Everything I believed about nuclear waste was wrong by philipkglass on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:19PM (#34744349)
The EPR and AP1000 reactor designs were supposed to be the end of "designed for the site" reactors, and they were. The same designs get built at different geographic locations. The problem is that they're no better at meeting cost and schedule targets than older reactor designs. They're still late and over budget.

Can small modular reactors like those designed by NuScale do better? Maybe. But we're not going to find out sooner than 2030, which is when NuScale plans to have its first plant operational: https://www.nuscalepower.com/en/about