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Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by jfengel on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:28AM (#34741830)
I stopped reading at:

“Left untreated, gender dysphoria has any number of consequences, from self-harm to suicide.” ... There are no reliable studies showing this.

Yes, there are. It's clear that gender dysphoria kills kids every single year. It's like asking for peer-reviewed studies of parachutes.

It's Bari Weiss's rag. She makes a living provoking liberals.

I assume that the author is sincere, though that's more benefit of the doubt than I really ought to grant for a known liar and provocateur as Weiss. Still, granting it, I'm willing to believe that treating gender dysphoria is hard. I don't doubt that some people fail in their treatment, no matter what route they take.

I am not myself, and I know a great many people who are much happier after transitioning. I know of none who were harmed by it. That's anecdotal, but suffices for me to know that it's not an industry whose whistle needs blowing.

What's needed is continued work to understand what's going on with gender, and the best way to help people who believe gender identification is the source of their unhappiness. It won't be helped by provocateurs who have decided that everything I do is a bad thing and will use any deception, cherry-picking, or outright falsehood to prove it.

Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by kranke155 on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:29AM (#34741850)
Please provide links and sources showing that kids with gender dysphoria kill themselves in trans SUPPORTIVE households.

I know that kids in non-supportive households suffer. What about in those that support them in their journey?

Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by MissTake on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:36AM (#34741980)
Supportive households are great and all, but none of that means anything when you’re in “the real world” where people just love to attack and bully you for being trans.
Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by kranke155 on Friday February 10, 2023 @03:46PM (#34745591)
You’re going to be bullied for being trans everywhere anyway. That’s my kind of experience. If the meds can make that go away by transitioning early, yeah maybe.

Can kids make that decision ? I’m not sure.

I don’t want to invalidate anyone’s perspective or experience. I’m just not sure.

Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by nh23423fefe on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:34AM (#34741952)
> That's anecdotal, but suffices for me
Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by jfengel on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:38AM (#34742009)
And what is it you're proving by taking a fragmentary quote out of context?
Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by nh23423fefe on Friday February 10, 2023 @04:01PM (#34745788)
You refer to evidence but have no epistemic honesty. You are pantomiming persuasion. It worse than lying.
Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by andrewfromx on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:53AM (#34742232)
but wait in your parachute analogy a big % of parachutes would have to open and like cut the wearer or hurt them somehow. Deploy a parachute if you are falling from 30,000 feet and your other option is to SPLAT on the ground, sure. But how many kids are deploying a parachute but their problem has nothing to do with height free-falling and the ground about to splat them.
Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by a_shovel on Friday February 10, 2023 @01:03PM (#34743248)
The situation is more like: you've heard anecdotes about people getting strangled by parachute cords or using parachutes when they're not falling from a plane and hurting themselves, so you're not sure if you should pull the parachute cord. Plus, you're only 99% sure you're falling from a plane; maybe this is a hallucination, or a movie. So maybe you should wait 'til you're at 3,000 feet to make sure you're really falling. Or maybe 500 feet, can't be too careful.

Meanwhile, based on the anecdotes mentioned previously, multiple states have proposed or passed bills banning all parachutes.

Re:I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Wh... by s1artibartfast on Friday February 10, 2023 @03:01PM (#34744950)
We clearly that people with gender dyspohoria kill themselves at higher rates than those without.

The data we lack is randomized controlled trials showing that hormonal intervention helps reduce rates for people with gender dysporia.

This isn't an argument for prohibition, just a statement on the current data.