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Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by mschuster91 on Friday February 10, 2023 @10:32AM (#34740944)
> As a farmer with experience growing roundup-ready crops: In order to obtain roundup-ready seeds you have to sign a contract with the vender. In said agreement, you agree to not do such things.

The farmer had not entered into any contract with anyone, that is the point. It's not his fault if pollen from his neighbor's field entered his field, even if they contained "patented" technology.

Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by randomdata on Friday February 10, 2023 @10:50AM (#34741228)
If you are referring to a case where litigation was executed under the terms of patent contract, the farmer – being a member of the public who grants such patents – has still entered into a contract by virtue of choosing to be a member of the public who has agreed that patent contracts are desirable to issue. The public had no obligation to issue the patent, but chose to. The farmer need not be a member of that public, but chose to be.
Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by stale2002 on Friday February 10, 2023 @12:32PM (#34742845)
Oh c'mon buddy.

"Well but you decided to be born, and live in society!" Is not the definition of "you entered a voluntary contract" that most people would use.

Just admit that your initial response about contracts, was wrong.

Instead, you shouldn't have said anything about voluntary contracts, and just said that you support whatever the law says and the governments monopoly on violence, no matter what, because "democracy" or something.

So this part here:

"If you want to do whatever you want with your field, don't enter into contractual agreements where you agree to follow certain rules."

This part is not possible. No someone cannot do this. So you suggesting that they go do this, is wrong. Just admit that.

Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by progman32 on Friday February 10, 2023 @03:51PM (#34745641)
How would one choose not to be a member of that public?
Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by BeFlatXIII on Saturday February 11, 2023 @02:41PM (#34755576)
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Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by Kalium on Friday February 10, 2023 @12:12PM (#34742510)
Then, without a license, he had no right to exploit the patented technology. The farmer acted in a way that showed a knowing and deliberate exploitation of the patented technology. There seems to be a disconnect here, but I'm not seeing it. Can you help me with what I've missed?
Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by UncleEntity on Friday February 10, 2023 @07:06PM (#34747883)
You need a license to produce and sell patented technology.

You don’t need a license to use patented technology which you either bought from a third party, was given or has blown onto your land by the wind.

Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by gruez on Friday February 10, 2023 @08:22PM (#34748502)
This thread is going in circles. As mentioned a few comments ago, it's clearly not the case that the technology "blown onto your land by the wind". The farmer was intentionally engaging in artificial selection to get plants with roundup ready traits. I can be sympathetic to the claim that a patented program magically appeared on your computer because of random bit-flips, but I can't be sympathetic if you deliberately set up a system to generate bit-flips on your computer in a specific way so as to produce the desired program.
Re:“Open Source” Seeds Loosen Big Ag’s Grip on Farmers by pfdietz on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:26AM (#34751742)
And note that this farmer would not have successfully obtained glyphosate resistant plants just by spraying his field, in the absence of the contamination. If it were that easy, GMOs wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.