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Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by liveoneggs on Thursday February 09, 2023 @08:23AM (#34723539)
So, to you, ChatGPT is approaching AGI?
Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by ballenf on Thursday February 09, 2023 @08:42AM (#34723714)
Perhaps a more interesting question is "how much better do we understand what characteristics AGI will have due to ChatGPT?"

We don't really understand what intelligence means -- in humans or our creations -- but ChatGPT gives us a little more insight (just like ELIZA, and the psychological research behind it, did).

At the very least, ChatGPT helps us build increasingly better Turing tests.

Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by bioemerl on Thursday February 09, 2023 @08:30AM (#34723609)
I do believe if we are going to get AGI without some random revolutionary breakthrough, to achieve it iteratively, It's going to come through language models.

Think about it.

What's the most expressive medium we have which is also absolutely inundated with data?

To broadly be able to predict human speech you need to broadly be able to predict the human mind. To broadly predict a human mind requires you build a model of it, and to have a model of a human mind? Welcome to general intelligence.

We won't realize we've created an AGI until someone makes a text model, starts throwing random problems at it, and discovers that it's able to solve them.

Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by moron4hire on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:01AM (#34723975)
> I do believe if we are going to get AGI without some random revolutionary breakthrough, to achieve it iteratively, It's going to come through language models.

Language is way, way far removed from intelligence. This is well-known in cognitive psychology. You'll find plenty of examples of stroke victims who are still intelligent but have lost the ability to produce coherent sentences, and (though much rarer) examples of people who can produce clear, eloquent prose, yet are so learning and mentally challenged that they can't even tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by bioemerl on Thursday February 09, 2023 @10:03AM (#34724974)
We don't judge AI by their ability to produce language, we judge them by their conference and ability to respond intelligently, to give us information we can use.
Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by hhjinks on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:13AM (#34724143)
> To broadly be able to predict human speech you need to broadly be able to predict the human mind

This is a non sequitur. The human mind does a whole lot more than string words together. Being able to predict which word would logically follow another does not require the ability to predict anything other than just that.

Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by Timwi on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:25AM (#34724322)
I think what the commenter is saying is that, in time, language models too will do a lot more than string words together. If it's large enough, and you train it well enough to respond to “what's the best next move in this chess position?” prompts with good moves, it will inevitably learn chess.
Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by hhjinks on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:47AM (#34724694)
I don't think that follows, necessarily. Chess has an unfathomable amount of states. While the LLM might be able to play chess competently, I would not say it has learned chess unless it is able to judge the relative strength of various moves. From my understanding, an LLM will not judge future states of a chess game when responding to such a prompt. Without that ability, it's no different than someone receiving anal bead communications from Magnus Carlsen.
Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by bioemerl on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:19PM (#34728650)
An LLM could theoretically create a model with which to understand chess and predict a next move, you just need to adjust the training data and train the model until that behavior appears.

The expressiveness of language lets this be true of almost everything.

Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by bioemerl on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:59AM (#34724917)
Exactly. Since language is a compressed and transmittable result of our thought, to predict text as accurately as possible requires you do the same. A model with understanding of the human mind will outperform one without.

> Being able to predict which word would logically follow another does not require the ability to predict anything other than just that.

Why? Wouldn't you expect that technique to generally fail if it isn't intelligent enough to know what's happening in the sentence?

Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by mattr47 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:17AM (#34724194)
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." — Qui-Gon Jinn, The Phantom Menace.
Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by tarsinge on Thursday February 09, 2023 @08:39AM (#34723690)
Why the obsession with AGI? The point is that ChatGPT is already useful.
Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Thursday February 09, 2023 @08:59AM (#34723953)
Is it? I see it mostly generates BS much faster.
Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by rhn_mk1 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:04AM (#34724018)
Brothers Grimm would like a word with you about what "BS" means.

ChatGPT is good at making up stories.

Re:Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue? by dr_dshiv on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:10AM (#34724088)
Yes. It is obviously already weak AGI (obvious to anyone if they saw it 20 years ago).

It is also obvious that we are in the middle of a shift of some kind. Very hard to see from within, but clearly we will look back at 2022 as the beginning of something…