Why is remote work seen as a gift?

Re:Why is remote work seen as a gift? by lordnacho on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:02AM (#34721396)

It's framed as a gift in order to manipulate the negotiating position. The fact is both employer and employee benefit from it, but if the employer can emphasize the benefits to the employee they can extract a bit of value from the relationship.

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Re:Why is remote work seen as a gift? by camillomiller on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:35AM (#34721636)

Although framing it as a gift isn’t implicitly an admission that going to the office sucks, and therefore sparing you from the dread should be seen as a negotiating value?

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Re:Why is remote work seen as a gift? by regularfry on Thursday February 09, 2023 @05:47AM (#34722122)

Less negotiating value, more table stakes. If every offer you're applying for is remote, no individual company benefits over any other by offering it.

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Re:Why is remote work seen as a gift? by Extra_Leaf on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:17AM (#34721503)

They can also hire the employee as a contractor and don't have to pay benefits like insurance.

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Re:Why is remote work seen as a gift? by pjerem on Thursday February 09, 2023 @07:11AM (#34722772)

You can easily defuse the argument though. As a candidate, you can say that remote working is a trade off you are willing to accept because of your interest for the job.

You don’t even have to lie but you can just act like you don’t care about working remotely or not (which, in my personal case, is just the truth).

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Re:Why is remote work seen as a gift? by Jcampuzano2 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @08:45AM (#34723754)

To be honest, you can easily diffuse the argument even if you do care about working remotely.

Simply put, make it known immediately that you will reject the job offer if it is not full remote, no questions asked. On my end, no "extra" amount of money they'd be willing to offer for coming into the office will sway me and many others.

There simply is no argument, I will not work for you and will go with another option if working remotely is not possible. If my job changes from work remote to not after accepting, I will not come in, and will look for new opportunities.

I've seen a lot of places play the game of accepting remote workers but then the CEO or someone announces back to office which is why I put the additional point there as well.

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Re:Why is remote work seen as a gift? by mettamage on Thursday February 09, 2023 @07:18AM (#34722863)

IMO in today's culture it is a gift. It's a gift in the sense that most companies aren't willing to do it. My quality of life being a digital nomad because of it (+ 4 days a week instead of 5) has shot up drastically.

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Re:Why is remote work seen as a gift? by lordnacho on Thursday February 09, 2023 @11:40AM (#34726710)

It's also a gift to the company. They take less time and money to hire an employee, because there's more people in the hiring pool.

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