> At least it improved human life in serious ways (Typescript, VSCode,...).

In terms dev-related stuff, TensorFlow - literally something that's made today's ML possible, Kubernetes, BigTable, MapReduce, and yknow, that good old thing called Chrome..

I understand hating on Google. They're not that great, but none of the FAANG are "great".. They all have some terrible bits, some good bits. However, to say that Google has not provided anything except "spam stuffs" is very wrong.

Search alone has changed the entire way that humans consume information. I would say that today's internet landscape, for better or worse, would not exist without Google.

MapReduce was not and isn't something that made ML possible. It made data engineering at scale possible.

I don't necessarily disagree, but that's only from a technical pov. However, I think the release of it as a open-source library made it so that it's far easier to learn the tech that already existed. Vast majority of university courses use it to teach lots of different concepts that were far more "mathy" before.

> MapReduce was not and isn't something that made ML possible. It made data engineering at scale possible.

Yeah. Maybe I worded that wrong. I wasn't saying it made ML possible. Just that it's a huge contribution to the Open-Source tech overall.

Both MR and TF are net-negative for the outside world. I think more unis teach pytorch than TF now.

They're helpful to you, not me.

You may not use those things directly, but you're dependent on those who do.

There're choices for you to make. It's your choice.

Also, you don't use a Phone? or Maps? Really? Do you use Chrome? Do you use Firefox, because Google's contributed a massive amount to the web standards that are implemented in both Firefox, and Chrome.

You have already lost the argument. I'm sorry but nobody would care about anything you say because that almost just does not apply to anyone else.

Also the fact that those products have no effects on you has nothing to do with whether a company is important or if their products are significant or helpful to the vast majority of human population.

And to be a bit cynical, it feels the only purpose of this comment is to show that you have a unique lifestyle, not to contribute to the discussion constructively or based on consensus. (Of which there are many on HN)

I used it, and also guided other juniors to implement real world products which're running in production to help others human life in a very short time, in a maintainable way.

This was impossible before with old toolings.

Is it more clear to you ? I'm also sorry for not so clearly said, but that's how conversation works ;)

So all in all, disagreements with direction, but nothing wrong/evil on the level of any of the FAAN.

They are not like the other. I wouldnt include big entertainment company among technology behemoths

I believe this thread would have a much less dramatic headline if Google didn’t itself kill Google Search ten+ years ago.

Also, it bought most of the examples listed, not made these. It just saw an ads/dm opportunity.

I also remember using Opera on its last original engine and those “Get Chrome” banners which made a whole browser freeze and stutter on anything but Chrome. I’ve pointed that out a few times back then on forums, but not too many people noticed it, it seems. The “our ads our performance” trick fled completely under the radar.