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Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by basch on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @02:54PM (#34698457)
It's an end to keyword search.

Search now has state. I can search something, and then manipulate the results. Filter the results. I dont have to start over with a new query, or mess with quotes and -signs, which has been utterly terrible ever since google started taking things like that as suggestions. Or when I search for 4-5 words, and it instantly chooses to leave out the most important of the 5 terms so it can return tons of utterly useless off topic stuff.

Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by PenguinCoder on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:04PM (#34698623)
I absolutely hate this, and it turns the search useless to me. When searching with "direct quotes" on Google, has ignored my exact term in quotes and shown me results WITHOUT THAT KEYWORD. Useless.
Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by basch on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:21PM (#34698879)
It is utter baffling how often I will search a couple terms and the top 5 results will say missing x and make me click to bring back my most important term. Obviously the term that is most limiting my search result volume is a candidate for either causing interference, or BEING the most important term. The frequency with which google chooses to disregard that word instead of focusing on it is just painful. Why theyve chosen to optimize for returning the MOST results is just misguided. I do not need or care for 10k results. Give me 90 that are actually useful.
Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by rippercushions on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:38PM (#34700135)
Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by basch on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:44PM (#34700219)
That doesnt appear to be related. Your post is about making the preview text more relevant.
Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by layer8 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:45PM (#34700955)
It helps to turn Verbatim mode on (under Search Tools).
Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by JohnFen on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:21PM (#34698888)
> It's an end to keyword search

I really hope not. I want keyword searching. I hope that it can continue to exist alongside this.

Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by basch on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:30PM (#34699046)
I guess I'm perfectly fine having to press "reset state" to get back to a clean search, vs every search being a clean search.

Most of my searches are vaguely phrased as a question anyway with the question words missing. Im guessing they will work just the same.

Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by Dalewyn on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:37PM (#34700125)
Most people ask human-style questions, eg: "How do I turn my toaster on?"; unlike tech enthusiasts who might be more inclined to feed mechanical queries, eg: "toaster turn on -site:reddit.com".

If the former query becomes more useful, even at the cost of the latter (which has gotten fairly useless already anyway), that is an overall boon for end-users.

Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by JohnFen on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:44PM (#34700221)
> that is an overall boon for end-users.

But it would be a loss for people doing research.

Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by basch on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:18PM (#34700613)
Can you give an example of something you think will work in standard search but that stateful search would fail to return good results for?
Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by JohnFen on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @10:57AM (#34709857)
Any searches that aren't looking for an immediate answer. When I'm searching, I don't want the search engine to find an answer for me. I want the search engine to provide me with a list of websites that touch on the topic I'm looking for, so I can get a "big picture" of what's out there, review them, and put together the information I'm looking for from the mosaic that I have been presented.

I don't want the search engine narrow my view to a tiny selection of websites or, worse, try to summarize the contents of the websites. That's not useful to me in terms of what I use search engines for.

Stateful search is really only useful for narrowing things down. That's not what I want the machine to do except in terms of paying attention to the keywords I want (and the keywords I actively don't want).

I totally understand there are use cases where what I actively don't want may be exactly what is desired. That's just not my use case. That's why I'm not saying there shouldn't be such search engines. I'm just saying that I hope my use case will also be possible, or web searching loses a whole lot of usefulness to me.

Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by basch on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @04:24PM (#34715408)
I would expect stateliness/statefulness to work in both directions. Instruct it to broaden its interpretation.

If you provide stateful search with keywords it will return the list you want. Then just dont follow up. Im probably ok with a couple extra instruction words when looking for traditional looking search results. "list sites re [keywords]"

It'll be interesting to see how the product changes over time when it retains some state about your preferences. Maybe you can teach it a bang abbreviation to always give you the type of result you are looking for. (!lw)

(You already see limited state on google when you search something, then search something unrelated and some results for the former keywords show up highlighted. Google sometimes thinks a new search is a folloup search to the previous one.)

Re:The New Bing with ChatGPT by drdaeman on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:55PM (#34700363)
Only for some kind of searches.

E.g. I'd suspect most people use keyword search when looking for images. They don't do "show me that funny picture of when AI drew the salmon swimming except it misunderstood salmon", they look for "ai generated salmon swimming".