Is this regarding "OpenStreetMap is in trouble – a critical take on Bing Map Builder" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680958) discussion yesterday?

Microsoft is known to water down open source, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... was a phrase by the U.S. Department of Justice.

Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team is more like a sister project to OpenStreetMap. Very open, shared technology, many volunteers work on both, same conferences. The focus is different, some of the funding comes from different sources.

Heaven knows what'll happen if we ever start succeeding!