Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC within a company

Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by John23832 on Monday February 06, 2023 @10:49AM (#34679119)

> Not disputing your bad experiences, but do you know how virulent some of those communities were to just about everyone? :)

So the opportunity to make many different people feel excluded is better? I'm not sure what you're getting at?

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Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by slackfan on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:21AM (#34679672)

So you're arguing equality is bad, therefore some people need to be more equal than others?

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Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by John23832 on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:24AM (#34679744)

I'm not.

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Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by dbrueck on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:42AM (#34680052)

The point was an answer to this question:

> Do you know VIRULENTLY anti-black (or woman, or gay) these communities were? I can't begin to describe it.

The answer is: "in a somewhat limited way, yes, yes I do". I can't know exactly what it was (and is) like, but the diversity of awfulness in some of those communities allowed me to experience meanness on a level I had never experienced before, which in turn has helped me feel more empathy towards those who deal with things like sexism and racism both online and offline.

Before, I had only an intellectual understanding that those things were terrible, which led me to under-appreciate just how much they can hurt. Perhaps I still under-appreciate it (who knows?), but I'm definitely closer to understanding than I was before, and that's a good thing.

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Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by ParetoOptimal on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:52AM (#34680236)

> The answer is: "in a somewhat limited way, yes, yes I do".

Prefacing "I know your experience" with "In a (very|somewhat) limited way" is vitally important.

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