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Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by tastyfreeze on Monday February 06, 2023 @10:01AM (#34678242)
Hiring preferences for PoC is discriminating against all not PoC. It is in practice exactly what these initiatives claim to be fighting, bigotry.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by cycrutchfield on Monday February 06, 2023 @10:10AM (#34678407)
Who is talking about hiring preferences? Why are you mischaracterizing diversity programs?
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by jablongo on Monday February 06, 2023 @10:35AM (#34678891)
Literally the OP
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by cycrutchfield on Monday February 06, 2023 @10:40AM (#34678970)
Where in the OP do they talk about hiring preferences?
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by tootie on Monday February 06, 2023 @10:19AM (#34678568)
That infers the baseline is equality. The reality is that hiring without explicit guidelines will bias against POC. DEI is about counteracting unconscious (or conscious) bias.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by Dooflegna on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:14AM (#34679577)
Exactly this. DEI isn't about ignoring race--DEI is -recoginizing- the impact that things like gender, race, and sexuality has on our biases.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by throw_m239339 on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:31PM (#34682878)
> That infers the baseline is equality. The reality is that hiring without explicit guidelines will bias against POC. DEI is about counteracting unconscious (or conscious) bias.

No, DEI is about replacing one bias with another in order to make a bunch of white people feel better about themselves. DEI doesn't consider Indians or South Asian looking people "People of color", because there are "too many of them in tech already". DEI is just institutionalize racism. So much that some Indians have to fake being black to get jobs in DEI corporations, cause white people can't always tell the difference.

The baseline was never equality, however DEI is blatantly racist.

Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by tootie on Monday February 06, 2023 @05:18PM (#34685299)
I don't think any of that is true or at least I've never observed it. It's also entirely possible for a DEI program to be run incompetently.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC... by throw_m239339 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @02:26AM (#34689775)
> I don't think any of that is true or at least I've never observed it. It's also entirely possible for a DEI program to be run incompetently.

From which perspective are race categorized in USA? From the white man's perspective. These DEI are all about some's ego and sense of guilt. Never about fairness nor equal opportunity. Yet these programs makes people who themselves are victim of racism, who never had anything to do with US slavery, pay the price individually, regardless of the inherited wealth/connections AKA socio-economic background.

Of course all I said is true, there is just the racism DEI corporations care about and the racism they don't care about.