Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov...
by aqme28 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @07:45PM
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I didn’t learn until late in life that you’re not dying of hypothermia in that water as I’d always been lead to believe. Your muscles get too cold to respond and you just drown. Horrifying.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov...
by jvanderbot on Sunday February 05, 2023 @10:09PM
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Does regular warm clothing keep you warm in 15c water or are you referring to a wetsuit or equivalent?
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov...
by 7hr0w2w2y9988 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @11:10PM
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Probably a wetsuit or survival suit are the only relevant clothing to help with a prolonged submersion situation
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov...
by mb7733 on Monday February 06, 2023 @07:31AM
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Your general point is totally valid -- cold water is dangerous. But your survival times for 15C are ridiculously pessimistic. 15C is just not that cold!
This source shows longer expected survival times at 0C: https://seagrant.umn.edu/programs/recreation-and-water-safet...
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov...
by willyt on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:38AM
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With training and when you are expecting to go into the sea yes obviously you can swim 20 miles across the English channel but all the cardiac arrests from cold water shock and general panic in the first 15 seconds bring the average down. The rule of 3 makes it easier to remember; they are approximate average numbers which are meant to drive the point home which is to wear a life jacket. We would prefer to find you shivering on a beach than face down in the sea.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov...
by mb7733 on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:59AM
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This has nothing to do with trained cold water swimmers. Your figure is just completely off. 15C water does not kill people in three minutes. It does not cause cardiac arrest. An average person could last hours at that temperature. See the well cited link I provided.
Lying to people to try and encourage safe behaviour isn't wise. The truth is good enough.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov...
by taskforcegemini on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @01:13AM
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he did say what brings that number down (it's an average). and yes, jumping/falling into cold water can lead to shock/cardiac arrest
In water less than 15ºC[0] average life expectancy follows very roughly a rule of threes. Three minutes without a life jacket, 30 mins without suitable warm clothing, 3 hrs without a life raft, 3 days without water and 3 weeks without food.
I volunteer for a marine SAR unit and people fall in and die from causes 1 and 2 on that list all the time, at least once a year just in our patch.
[0] Eg pretty much all U.K. waters pretty much all the time.