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Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by roseway4 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:31PM (#34634866)
The WSJ has more detail: https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-spy-balloon-seen-over-u...

According to a Pentagon source, the balloon offers "limited additive value" over satellites.

More interesting excerpts:

>The incident, which occurred in the last two days, marked the latest aggressive Chinese intelligence gathering maneuvers in recent years. U.S. defense officials said the balloon loitered over the U.S. longer than in previous similar incidents, which made this “different.”

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> Mr. Biden was presented with options and proposed that the high-altitude balloon be shot down after it was spotted and reported by civilians in a commercial airliner, U.S. officials said. The Pentagon feared civilian casualties, and opted not to shoot down the balloon, U.S. officials said.

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> The balloon “was traveling at an altitude well above the commercial air traffic and does not present a military or physical threat to people on the ground,” Gen. Ryder added.

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> The balloon was observed flying over Montana after flying over Canada and the Aleutian Islands, one U.S. official said. It was large enough for its debris to cause damage, and while the U.S. considered shooting it down over a sparsely populated area of Montana, the U.S. opted to not shoot it down. It also flew over sensitive sites, a senior defense official told reporters Thursday.

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by floxy on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:48PM (#34635027)
Any attempts to capture it? Is it flying too high for fixed wing aircraft?
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:52PM (#34635070)
Gun pod on a U2.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by mr_toad on Thursday February 02, 2023 @07:55PM (#34635681)
F15s can fly that high.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by LarryMullins on Thursday February 02, 2023 @08:26PM (#34635931)
Heck, F-15s can shoot down satellites.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by zoklet-enjoyer on Thursday February 02, 2023 @08:50PM (#34636136)
Seriously???
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by wiml on Thursday February 02, 2023 @09:06PM (#34636265)
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by convolvatron on Thursday February 02, 2023 @10:44PM (#34636881)
That project was cancelled after 5 tests, at least one successful. Since satellite destruction is a pretty interesting tactical option, what does that imply?
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by sorry_outta_gas on Friday February 03, 2023 @01:07AM (#34637695)
Isn't that what that UAV space shuttle is for now, just to orbit around and muck up sats?
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by justsomehnguy on Friday February 03, 2023 @03:44AM (#34638802)
What it moved to SM Block 3 on the naval platforms.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by case0x00 on Friday February 03, 2023 @03:26AM (#34638675)
can they? I don't know what altitude its at but I imagine aerodynamic control surfaces would not be that effective. F-22 would be better.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by andrewflnr on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:51PM (#34635060)
It's not possible to give it a slow enough leak that it comes down gently? A sufficiently large balloon is basically a parachute even if it's not inflated, right? It would be great to catch it and see what's inside...
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by beedeebeedee on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:34AM (#34655654)
I think that's the issue- bullet holes will only cause a small leak, and then the balloon will slowly descend in an unpredictable place (i.e., might blanket a small town)
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by pengaru on Thursday February 02, 2023 @08:11PM (#34635823)
> According to a Pentagon source, the balloon offers "limited additive value" over satellites.

Why wouldn't we prioritize simply acquiring the thing for analysis of what sort of optics and other capabilities they're floating through our air-space?

Who cares what "limited additive value" we presume it to have over satellites.

It's a huge psyops value, and a huge opportunity to demonstrate we can trivially acquire and reverse such items if they'd like to send us more of their state of the art surveillance gadgets to take apart.

By not doing so we imply that's not something we're capable of. Not a good look at all.

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by willis936 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @08:39PM (#34636052)
Or something we don't care to. "That is a cute toy you have."
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by bhawks on Thursday February 02, 2023 @09:27PM (#34636403)
Scrambling F22s and multiple stratotankers for refueling took that card off the table.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by willis936 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @09:39PM (#34636472)
How did it do that? It demonstrated swift aerial response until a potential threat is assessed. Once assessed as not a threat, note the cuteness of the toy.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by pengaru on Thursday February 02, 2023 @10:56PM (#34636953)
Will you keep digging this hole if the same low-cost trolling of the US military recurs with a similarly disproportionately expensive response? How many times?
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by nly on Friday February 03, 2023 @04:14AM (#34639010)
Gives the bored lads at the air force base something to do
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by jl6 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @11:36PM (#34637194)
I’d want a tax refund if someone has not been tasked with figuring out how to do a discreet nondestructive takedown for analysis.

I don’t think it’s trivial though. The slow speed makes use of aircraft tricky. The thing may have countermeasures, like a self-destruct mechanism for if it detects anything approaching it. Perhaps not an explosive self-destruct (flying explosives over a foreign country would be brazen indeed), but perhaps something electronic that scuttles the interesting equipment. And finally, perhaps the response to its presence is precisely what its owners have sent it to observe. An up-close streaming webcam view of a US Air Force operation surely has some value.

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by Barrin92 on Friday February 03, 2023 @12:23AM (#34637458)
>Why wouldn't we prioritize simply acquiring the thing for analysis of what sort of optics and other capabilities they're floating through our air-space?

Because there's a good chance America's three letter agencies have that figured out already anyway and the thing is technically ten years out of date.

Conducting some potentially risky and costly shootdown of a balloon over US territory seems out of proportion.

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by pengaru on Friday February 03, 2023 @12:59AM (#34637636)
> Because there's a good chance America's three letter agencies have that figured out already anyway and the thing is technically ten years out of date.

Scrambling F-22s to intercept something harmless we understand so deeply makes no sense.

> Conducting some potentially risky and costly shootdown of a balloon over US territory seems out of proportion.

I didn't say anything about shooting it down. But if that's the US's only option, it speaks volumes to how incapable we are of handling such a threat without undue risk to ourselves. Embarrassing if so.

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by dragonwriter on Friday February 03, 2023 @12:26AM (#34637475)
> Why wouldn’t we prioritize simply acquiring the thing for analysis of what sort of optics and other capabilities they’re floating through our air-space?

One hypothesis: because we got high-resolution photographs of it, identified it, and we already have comprehensive intelligence and possibly one or more captured examples of the model, so we don’t expect there to be any particular intelligence value of getting another one.

> By not doing so we imply that’s not something we’re capable of.

Or not something we need to do.

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by dendrite9 on Friday February 03, 2023 @02:23AM (#34638158)
I thought the Drive's article was pretty good including details of a Canadian flight to (presumably) check on the balloon as it went over the Okanagon roughly.

Similar balloons appear to have been photographed in Hawaii, India (Andamans), Japan. A different type was recently photographed over the Philippines and there is a comment about use over Guam.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/chinas-spy-balloon-ove... https://twitter.com/steffanwatkins/status/162136299808111001...