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Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by OJFord on Thursday February 02, 2023 @01:50PM (#34631323)
> insane suggestion that we shouldn't punish false reporting because it will somehow disincentive reporting [...] False reports, especially those used for retaliation, should be a felony and result in jail time.

Jesus, jail time! I can tell you right off the bat that that would absolutely disincentivise me from reporting anything - some process I'm not privy to decides it was a 'false' report and I get jail? That makes for a very high bar for me not to wind my neck back in - and if that's what you want, only something that's too heinous to ignore gets reported, fine. But it's certainly not an insane suggestion that there's a link there.

Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by pc86 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @03:31PM (#34632532)
I'm pretty sure the bar for proving a report was made in bad faith would be much higher than the bar for proving there is abuse happening.

I'm not arguing that people who are wrong in good faith be punished, just that we punish people who we can prove lied in order to retaliate against people they don't like.

Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by notryan on Thursday February 02, 2023 @03:57PM (#34632898)
Not really. The bar (at least in the US) for convicting someone of false accusations is just the same as any other crime.

The difference is the police won't go after false reporting often, probably because they are worried it will have a chilling effect on people talking to them.

If 10% of murder convictions are mistaken it would stand to reason that the false accusation conviction error rate would be equally high or higher.

It's fun to say, punish everyone that does crime X. But you have to accept a false positive rate.

Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by pessimizer on Thursday February 02, 2023 @05:07PM (#34633879)
> I'm pretty sure the bar for proving a report was made in bad faith would be much higher than the bar for proving there is abuse happening.

Why in the world would you be sure of that?

Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by worik on Friday February 03, 2023 @04:35PM (#34648033)
>> I'm pretty sure the bar for proving a report was made in bad faith would be much higher than the bar for proving there is abuse happening.

> Why in the world would you be sure of that?

A democracy

Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by s1artibartfast on Thursday February 02, 2023 @05:55PM (#34634466)
It shouldn't stop you from from reporting the bare fax as you saw them. It should deter you from lies
Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by amalcon on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:27PM (#34634827)
It shouldn't, but it will. What happens when you report the bare facts as you see them, you are accused of lying, a jury is convinced, and you go to jail? That's a foreseeable outcome, and an effective deterrent.

(Whether it's worth that deterrent is a question that I am not going to attempt to grapple with on a technology message board.)

Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by OJFord on Friday February 03, 2023 @08:44AM (#34640945)
Right but I don't want to risk someone thinking I'm lying, if it comes with such a cost to me, and ignoring the perceived problem has no cost to me whatsoever (just potentially to the observed child if, I'm right) - unless it was so shocking that it was both deeply affecting and also surely obviously not a lie anyway.
Re:Connecticut Parents Arrested for Letting Kids Walk to Dun... by midoridensha on Thursday February 02, 2023 @08:53PM (#34636163)
Calling in a fake police report resulting in a "SWATting" can easily result in prison time. Why should this be different?