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Re:Tesla tells investors it’s being investigated by the Just... by bhauer on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:05PM (#34598998)
If you pay $15K today, you get FSD Beta. For some people, the beta is worth the price, even not knowing precisely when it will be more than SAE Level 2.

We are talking about the group of people who system16 criticized for being "happy with having paid for FSD." Other peoples' needs and wants differ, and characterizing those needs and wants as if they are plain wrong is arrogant.

Re:Tesla tells investors it’s being investigated by the Just... by thefounder on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:10PM (#34599097)
What's the beta used for? If you need to keep your hands on the steering wheel and monitor the FSH I feel it's more of a testing task (which should be performed by qualified personnel) rather than end users on public streets. If the beta software kills someone you are responsible because you didn't stop it on time. Is this something people want?
Re:Tesla tells investors it’s being investigated by the Just... by bhauer on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:16PM (#34599200)
It is semi-autonomous driving software, so the use cases are what you might expect. For example, I have seen many Youtube videos where people are using it for supervised semi-autonomous drives. Some say that once you're used to its quirks, it's less stressful/easier to drive this way.

In the end, who knows? Who cares? If a customer says they are happy with the purchase, why should someone else tell them they are plain wrong? I can disagree, of course, but I should not tell them they're just wrong for being happy.

I don't tell people they're wrong for paying extra for a special paint color.

Re:Tesla tells investors it’s being investigated by the Just... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:05PM (#34600098)
<< In the end, who knows? Who cares? If a customer says they are happy with the purchase,

I do care in some instances.

If an individual chooses to part with their money, it is 9/10 none of my business. However, in this case, parting of the money involves a seller providing a product that does not live to its advertising claims. As such, other entities can ( and will ) take note of this sudden change in customer's attitudes towards blatant lies. Note how much damage Tesla did to cars with cars as subscription. Other manufacturers were quick to pick up on this.

When I buy a car, I want some level of assurance that it is not just 'beta', 'alpha', but a fully working product. I don't accept this software mentality 'we will ship it in next update' in cars. So in this case, stupid customer moves affect me. So I can do two things. It seems easier to enforce current regulations on Tesla and quietly calm down defensive Tesla buyers, who will defend FSD with their lives if they have to.

Re:Tesla tells investors it’s being investigated by the Just... by thefounder on Friday February 03, 2023 @06:44PM (#34649499)
>> Some say that once you're used to its quirks, it's less stressful/easier to drive this way.

That's really my problem. You get used with it and start trusting it until it unexpectedly goes straight into that white van.

Re:Tesla tells investors it’s being investigated by the Just... by DennisP on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:00PM (#34600026)
> should be performed by qualified personnel

The trouble is, nobody can afford to employ a hundred thousand professional test drivers.

Re:Tesla tells investors it’s being investigated by the Just... by lolinder on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:25PM (#34599376)
I covered that already in my comment:

> You can still argue that ... they're already getting enough value out of the partially delivered product.

I think it's true that some people feel that way, and that's fine. But I agree with OP that the Tesla others "who honestly believe 'real FSD is only a year away'" are being taken advantage of if not outright defrauded.