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Re:Ask HN: How to Self-Promote at Work? by charlieyu1 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:10AM (#34593378)
As an Asian moving to UK, I’m annoyed that everyone is doing self promotion and I need to do it now… back then I could just do my job and show my performance
Re:Ask HN: How to Self-Promote at Work? by mytailorisrich on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:41AM (#34593562)
In the UK, "Asian" tends to imply "South Asian". Indians are quite good at playing the game and self-promotion. On the other hand East Asians less so. This is of course an over-generalization but I do think it holds some truth and that has to do with cultural differences, IMHO.
Re:Ask HN: How to Self-Promote at Work? by shrikant on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @06:21AM (#34593791)
Timid, un-self-promoting Indian-in-the-UK here.

Yours is a broad generalisation, and one that has hurt my career in the past because of senior people who inevitably follow this chain of reasoning: "Indians are good at playing the self-promotion game --> shrikant is Indian, and he's not bigging himself up enough --> he must not be good enough --> meh, average rating, let's move on to the next person".

This hasn't happened everywhere, so I suppose it is down to organisational culture as well.

But also I guess my point is: even if broad generalisations hold "true", it's not cool to apply it to an individual.

Re:Ask HN: How to Self-Promote at Work? by Bilal_io on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:26AM (#34593475)
I think this has more to do with the organization's structure. In a flat org you're more visible and your work speaks for itself. And in a hierarchical org you're very invisible, and the higher-ups can only see (without effort from them and you) what's right under their control and in most cases you're only visible to your manager and immediate team members.
Re:Ask HN: How to Self-Promote at Work? by jstx1 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:32AM (#34593513)
This doesn't sound right to me - in a flat structure the people who self-promote go up in the implicit structure of the team so self-promotion is more important, not less.
Re:Ask HN: How to Self-Promote at Work? by Bilal_io on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:41AM (#34593559)
I think it depends on your definition of self-promotion.

To me, performing and excelling at your job should be sufficient to make you visible. In a flat structure you're known as the responsibile party for project X, therefore, the self-promotion is happening automatically, as opposed to a deeply nested structure where your department's name is linked to the success of project X, and within the department your team takes the credit, and to be visible you'll have to actively self-promote.

Re:Ask HN: How to Self-Promote at Work? by jwmoz on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:42AM (#34593574)
Fwiw the Japanese girl on my team in UK back in the day kept winning prizes or whatever because she was such a diligent worker, so self promotion isn't actually everything.