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Re:Cargo airships could be big by lordnacho on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:27PM (#34587405)
I think the key is in the wikipedia article: You only gain 14% lift with a vacuum vs helium. The tradeoff is either:

- Build a pressure vessel to withstand the differential to the atmosphere

- Let the helium do the pushing from the inside but make the thing 14% bigger

I don't see how the vacuum ever wins.

Re:Cargo airships could be big by Asooka on Monday January 30, 2023 @06:14PM (#34588044)
I wonder if there is a sweet spot between the two. Have a rigid structure with an internal pressure less than one, but more than zero atmospheres.
Re:Cargo airships could be big by Tuna-Fish on Monday January 30, 2023 @06:38PM (#34588344)
There is not. The costs of dealing with pressure differentials are extreme, and there are a lot of small thorny issues.

For one, if you have a pressure differential, you need to care very much about even the tiniest leaks. A surprising fact about airships is that they don't actually have to be very gas-tight to work just fine. As people found to their surprise in both world wars, you can shoot an airship full of small holes and it only very slowly degrades in performance.

Re:Cargo airships could be big by hutzlibu on Monday January 30, 2023 @07:22PM (#34588905)
Yes, if you just shoot a hydrogen airship, not much happened, only after they introduced incendiary rounds, strong damage was done.
Re:Cargo airships could be big by hutzlibu on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:17AM (#34592262)
No idea why this was downvoted, but in case anyone believed it was imaginary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeroy_bullet

Re:Cargo airships could be big by taneq on Monday January 30, 2023 @06:39PM (#34588351)
At the halfway point you get 7% more lift but still need to withstand ~50kPa of external pressure. I can't see how you'll ever build a rigid structure that can withstand 5 tonnes per square meter and only weighs 7% more than a gas bag which operates only under a tiny fraction of that force and only under tension.
Re:Cargo airships could be big by wolverine876 on Monday January 30, 2023 @07:25PM (#34588946)
What was that based on?
Re:Cargo airships could be big by cogman10 on Monday January 30, 2023 @07:32PM (#34589024)
> I don't see how the vacuum ever wins.

3 ways.

- Vacuums aren't combustible.

- Vacuums can be created without sourcing a gas.

- Vacuums allow you adjust buoyancy without requiring you to carry extra gases.

The major downside of a vacuum is finding something ridged enough, light enough, and cheap enough to maintain a vacuum.

Re:Cargo airships could be big by dlgeek on Monday January 30, 2023 @09:52PM (#34590251)
Helium isn't combustible either.
Re:Cargo airships could be big by cogman10 on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:59PM (#34591375)
It's also finite and much more expensive.
Re:Cargo airships could be big by o_1 on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:04PM (#34590866)
"vacuums aren't combustible" oh I love it idk what you did here, but the assumption of hydrogen still being used is awesome. reminds me of a great Archer episode.
Re:Cargo airships could be big by Brusco_RF on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:25PM (#34603198)
Its a little disingenuous to imply that a vacuum is safer than Hydrogen just because it doesn't combust. Have it spring a leak near the passenger cabin and watch what happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPoVuFtWs_Y&t=7s