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Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by boeingUH60 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @06:51AM (#34567240)
Random fact: WhatsApp co-founder Jan Koum is one of the few entrepreneurs who seem to have just retired to a lavish life after cashing out. He hasn’t announced any public projects or startups he’s working on, unlike the other co-founder Acton.

But then, he’s built 4 mega yachts [1] and spent $400 million+ on mansions [2].

1- https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/mogambo/owner/

2- https://www.dirt.com/gallery/moguls/tech/jan-koum-house-beve...

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by fsloth on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:18AM (#34568301)
It's fine to recognize you're built out as a one trick pony and then enjoy the trappings of success.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by ghaff on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:50AM (#34568603)
You're being downvoted. But, while I personally wouldn't have gone the lavish lifestyle route and would probably dabble in things I found interesting, it's not unreasonable and indicated a certain self-awareness to realize you've hit the lottery and you may not want to devote your life to trying to hit the lottery again.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by slfnflctd on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:24AM (#34568894)
Absolutely valid choice for some of us. Life has taught me that I'm not really all that special in any particular capacity, and more importantly to be okay with it. Being able to cover all my future expenses in a 3 or 4 bedroom place with a high quality security system would be winning at life.

I'd definitely want to pursue some hobbies, but I wouldn't expect any of them to make money or change the world. I could at least donate to nonprofits for the latter, though.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by robocat on Sunday January 29, 2023 @02:15PM (#34571603)
> with a high quality security system

Jeepers. I am guessing your other priorities in your life make it so you need to live in an unsafe area?

I am middle aged, and I have never lived anywhere in my hometown Christchurch that had an active security system. In more that one place the front door or back door was never locked. Probably because I just have never owned much worth stealing! Correction: my parents had a security system, but they stopped using it and it stopped working maybe 15 years ago?

I currently live in a particularly safe little area of my city, although I wouldn’t mind having a secret lockup for the few things that can’t be insured. Most rural or small-town New Zealand is even safer than living in my city.

Above said, I do believe thievery is increasing in Christchurch. My friends in Woolston had a small shed ram-raided (failed because the shed builder went overboard on big posts), and those friends have needed to add security cameras to help prevent thieves casing their home. Anecdotally theft in Lyttelton is on the rise.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by throw0101c on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:58PM (#34573685)
> I am guessing your other priorities in your life make it so you need to live in an unsafe area?

It may not be so much you live in an area with danger, but the danger comes to your safe area looking for money (ransom).

And not just you, but those around you:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Paul_Getty#Kidnapping_of_gr...

See also "Lottery winner 'regretted scooping £11m' when brother hired hitman to assassinate him":

* https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/lottery-winner-r...

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by robocat on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:07PM (#34584849)
> kidnapping, hitman

These are outrageously unlikely in my country, and would guess are extremely unlikely even in the USA.

If you are worried about extreme events, then a security system is hardly going to help you. When you win the lottery, you can move or buy a good security system.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by xeromal on Sunday January 29, 2023 @12:18PM (#34570253)
I've had a similar thought of this regarding one hit wonders. So many of them hit it big on a single song and they end up thinking that the hit was because the people like "them" when a lot of the time, it just hit the cultural zeitgeist at the right time or was used in a commercia/tiktok. I often think if that happened for me, I'd try my best to milk it and then dip. You might only have a few hundred thousand dollars but save it and go back to what you were doing before while still making music on the side.

The best example I've seen of this is chamillionaire. He had a string of 3-5 hits but diversified and has stayed wealthy while many of the people in a similar vein are broke.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by EugeneOZ on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:23AM (#34568364)
Smart people do exist.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by tecleandor on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:42AM (#34569808)
I struggle to see what's exactly smart on spending $400M in mansions, and another ~400M in yachts (apart from his +100 cars collection). Just the maintenance for his yachts is ~$25M a year.

You could say "he does what he likes", but it doesn't sound smart nor grounded to me.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by fbdab103 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @12:40PM (#34570496)
Wikipedia lists him with a net worth just shy of $14 billion. As a percentage of wealth, the mansions, yachts, and maintenance are less than what a typical person spends.

Not that it makes any financial sense whatsoever, but the scale of wealth is unfathomable. Money no longer makes sense.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by EugeneOZ on Sunday January 29, 2023 @01:11PM (#34570887)
I’m not sure my words will help you understand me better, but still: some people live to work, and some people work to enjoy their only life.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by mr_mitm on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:48AM (#34568577)
Just like MySpace Tom, IIRC. Finally some relatable people.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by benzible on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:02AM (#34569265)
MySpace was a project within an existing company, eUniverse, later InterMix. Tom and Chris DeWolfe were employees of InterMix, not founders. Intermix was acquired by News Corp. for $580M. Not sure how much equity Tom ended up with but I'm sure his payday was a tiny fraction of what WhatsApp's founders received.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by kubb on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:44AM (#34569092)
I can certainly understand the need to enjoy life, but it does feel obscene to spend that much on yachts.

Money is power and power comes with moral responsibility. I think that's why the Gates' started that foundation.

For many people it's easier to feel good about having so much if you can claim that you're using it for good.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by roncesvalles on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:32AM (#34569658)
>Money is power and power comes with moral responsibility.

I don't know if I agree with that. Are they actually qualified to be wielding that much power? Maybe it's better to just let them spend it on personal luxury or passive philanthropy than to have them start twiddling society's levers just because they have a strong urge to "do something".

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by thundergolfer on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:43AM (#34569823)
You think directing your massive fortune towards spending on luxury goods isn't in itself "twiddling society's levers"?
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by kubb on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:51AM (#34569941)
Yeah, you don't build a yacht in isolation, you need labor, resources, it has a cultural and environmental impact.

Whatever you do with so much dough is gonna have consequences, there's no staying neutral.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by roncesvalles on Monday January 30, 2023 @03:04AM (#34577075)
It's not the same because it's within the bounds of what the economy "wants" you to do. It's an option that's available, instead of modifying the fabric of society to create an option that was previously unimaginable.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by thundergolfer on Monday January 30, 2023 @10:47AM (#34581213)
I think that's a completely broken idea of how an economy works. There's no neutral position where your cooperating with an economy "wants".
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by kubb on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:53AM (#34569953)
They're not qualified, but they wield it anyway.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by PoignardAzur on Sunday January 29, 2023 @12:34PM (#34570432)
Billions of dollars are billions of dollars that could be spent building schools, housing the homeless, feeding starving people, etc. Saying that it's better that these people starve, freeze and die because of a vague fear that Man shouldn't meddle with certain things and spending on personal luxury and yachts is the better option seems like philosophical lazyness.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by roncesvalles on Sunday January 29, 2023 @03:29PM (#34572362)
Or doing Koch Brothers stuff.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by Terretta on Sunday January 29, 2023 @12:06PM (#34570104)
Don't think of it as spending on yachts.

Think of it as make-work income for inner city shipyard workers, metal workers, and countless other legacy professions.

At the end of the day, the guy doesn't have the money any more, they all do. So they're happy, and he has a boat.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by satvikpendem on Sunday January 29, 2023 @03:31PM (#34572397)
Indeed, money spent drives economies. Money not spent is simply wasted. One reason why people advocate for more taxes for the rich is to make sure that the money circulates in an economy and thus progress society.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by throwawayxx123 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @01:23PM (#34630895)
But taxes goes into govt and its inefficiencies rather than into economy
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by alexklarjr on Sunday January 29, 2023 @03:13PM (#34572204)
Gates had started their foundation to transfer the assets to children without paying estate tax.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by boeingUH60 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @03:37PM (#34572462)
Theory doesn't make any sense, if he wanted to transfer assets to his children, he'll just do that directly rather than start a foundation that has disbursed $66 billion in grants [1].

Note that I'm not saying Gates is a good guy and doesn't use his foundation to exert influence. But, saying he started a foundation to transfer assets while dodging estate tax reeks of "they just write it off...". Wouldn't he have been better off handing over that $66 billion to his children and paying 18% to 40% as taxes?

1- https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/foundation-fact-sheet

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by offtotheraces on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:06AM (#34569306)
He has also become a very quiet mega philanthropist- he doesn’t publicize his giving but it’s on a huge scale
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by thundergolfer on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:41AM (#34569802)
Finding it hard to give a guy any philanthropy credit when he's apparently spend hundreds of millions on personal luxury.

In a world where mere 10s of dollars can fund a medical intervention that change s the life of a poor child, having 4 megayachts is obscene.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by xmprt on Sunday January 29, 2023 @12:22PM (#34570304)
Well what else are you supposed to do? Fly your private jet to Bali and then not have a megayacht sitting there waiting for you? There's no way I'm waiting a full week for them to sail over from the Maldives so I need to have at least two.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by fbdab103 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @12:32PM (#34570405)
With that line of thinking, he is under-equipped in the yacht department. Should have one dedicated to each ocean.