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Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by huevosabio on Sunday January 29, 2023 @03:45AM (#34566160)
yup,in theory you keep hiring until the value of the marginal engineer is equal to its cost.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by AmericanChopper on Sunday January 29, 2023 @04:14AM (#34566318)
This certainly isn’t any type of business theory. In theory you should spend as much money as you possibly can on the things that provide the most return. You shouldn’t be hiring any engineers if hiring a salesman has a greater return, or running a marketing campaign, or buying new hardware…

Hiring an engineer has a significant opportunity cost.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by vidarh on Sunday January 29, 2023 @04:44AM (#34566490)
Note that they didn't give a time constraint.

You're right that in the short term you aim to hire where the return is highest, but in the long term that means they're right that you'd want to keep hiring as long as you get a positive return.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by AmericanChopper on Sunday January 29, 2023 @04:47AM (#34566510)
No it doesn’t. It means you want to keep _spending money_.

You want to spend it on whatever has the highest return, which will frequently be on an expense other than hiring, and when it is on hiring, it will frequently be on hiring roles other than engineers.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by vidarh on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:55AM (#34569983)
In the long term, as long as each thing you spend additional money on increases your return, eventually hiring more people will be the highest returning means of increasing your return.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by d4nt on Sunday January 29, 2023 @04:47AM (#34566506)
Until recently money was very cheap, so it wasn’t a choice between hiring an engineer OR a salesperson, just hire both.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by AmericanChopper on Sunday January 29, 2023 @04:50AM (#34566531)
I really hope this isn’t a serious comment. No matter what your payroll budget is, the opportunity cost will still exist. You will still have to choose which roles to spend it on (and which to not).
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by ZephyrBlu on Sunday January 29, 2023 @04:58AM (#34566586)
Facebook and the like throw off billions upon billions in profit and the market encouraged companies to spend for growth.

There isn't really an opportunity cost to hiring more people when money is no object. More likely to be the opposite.

Why do you think they increased their headcount so much in the last few years? Simply because they could.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by AmericanChopper on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:08AM (#34566662)
If you go a read a FAANG annual report, you’ll find the headcounts are in fact finite, meaning they do in fact devote a finite budget to those resources. Just because the headcount or the budget seems so large that you can’t easily conceptualize it, doesn’t mean they are unlimited. Regardless of their motives for increasing headcounts, doing so has an opportunity cost, and so does the way in which they choose to do it.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by ZephyrBlu on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:19AM (#34566732)
What is the opportunity cost then? What are they trading off by hiring more people?

The fact there is finite budget and headcount doesn't necessarily mean anything. If you're limited by the number of quality employees you can recruit and onboard, budget and headcount are effectively meaningless because they're not limited by money.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by scarface74 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:34AM (#34568457)
How many useless projects does Google already waste money on? Google has already shown a complete ineptitude at coming out with new profit generating products. Throwing more people at problem with a broken culture won’t do any good.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by vidarh on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:58AM (#34570020)
That is an argument that they've reached a point where the cost of increasing engineering headcount is as high or higher than the return, not that you don't want to keep increasing headcount until you get there.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by clnq on Sunday January 29, 2023 @04:58AM (#34566593)
Just for context, it is a business theory - https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/aess/docs/LACResources/Mat.... It can be applied to anything within a company's control that has marginal costs and associated marginal revenues.

How to apply it wisely is a different, much wider topic.

Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by AmericanChopper on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:03AM (#34566625)
Optimising the marginal cost of producing goods is very different from “keep hiring engineers until $1 of engineering payroll = $1 in return”. Which is specifically the claim made in the comment I replied to.
Re:Why WhatsApp Only Needs 50 Engineers for Its 900M Users by clnq on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:54AM (#34566942)
It is not very different, the same principle can be applied because of the MC-MR association. See here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_product_of_labor#MPL,....