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Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by troad on Saturday January 28, 2023 @03:53PM (#34561733)
> A lot of this is related to inequality, value of labour detaching from wealth, and the increasing unaffordability of life.

Inequality is declining by every measurable metric in the United States.

Edit: To answer the folk naysaying with their ten second Google searches, the income inequality rate has declined between 2007 and 2019(1), helped by a strong wage recovery in the late 2010s. The share of wealth held by the top 10% peaked around 2015 and has declined steadily since. 2022 was a very bad year for equity markets and has hit wealthy households particularly hard.

These are all pretty findable and uncontroversial statistics, but unfortunately one political tribe has invested a lot of capital in the notion inequality is inexorably increasing, so there’s a lot of pundit mileage in contorting these stats.(2) Which is sad, because these stats are good news for anyone who truly cares about inequality.

(1) I’m book-ending at 2019 because pandemic era macro is weird, and will take us some years to understand.

(2) I’m not making a partisan point here - stats are stats, and both political tribes lie endlessly about them when convenient.

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by kashunstva on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:40PM (#34562237)
> Inequality is declining by every measurable metric in the United States.

Economist Thomas Piketty would like to have a word. The top 1% takes more of the US national income than the entire bottom half and their share is increasing. Income growth in the bottom 20% is negative.[0] Although perhaps we have different definitions of inequality. If the rings of the ladder are pulling apart in this fashion I’m going to take that as evidence of increasing inequality.

[0] Thomas Piketty, Emmanuel Saez, and Gabriel Zucman (2018): _Distributional National Accounts: Methods and Estimates for the United States_, Quarterly Journal of Economics 2, 2018, Vol. 133, S. 553-609.

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by 7sidedmarble on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:11PM (#34561918)
> > A lot of this is related to inequality, value of labour detaching from wealth, and the increasing unaffordability of life.

> Inequality is declining by every measurable metric in the United States.

How would you explain any of these metrics? https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-...

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by willis936 on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:22PM (#34562045)
No not those metrics. The ones Tucker Carlson talks about.
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by MikeSchurman on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:26PM (#34562095)
I'm sure you're correct for a lot of metrics, but to say every metric is declining might be wrong. Homelessness is going up slowly but surely: https://www.statista.com/statistics/555795/estimated-number-...

Is this a direct measure of inequality? I suppose it depends but I would say yes?

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by GAN_Game on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:16PM (#34561967)
The census bureau disagrees - income inequality is increasing, not decreasing

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizat...

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by pgodzin on Saturday January 28, 2023 @06:17PM (#34563022)
that chart includes a huge market bubble and excludes the subsequent bubble pop
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by Tiktaalik on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:16PM (#34561970)
This doesn't seem to be the case at all from the top two hits of googling inequality america but maybe there's a contrived way to come to any conclusion here.

But aside from that a more important metric than inequality is the real material conditions of regular people.

In Canada at least rents have been spiking for years on end which is directly reducing people's money on hand, and an inflation crisis is further compounding this issue this year. There's different situations in different US states, but I do not believe the situation is terribly different in many places.

Things are getting worse and worse because people have less and less money.

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by mile3island on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:13PM (#34561936)
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by isleyaardvark on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:49PM (#34562330)
While I agree with the general point about inequality increasing, I would never trust any chart from the St. Louis Fed after they did this:

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/01/23/china-military-sp...

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by andrewprock on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:08PM (#34561890)
Over what period of time? Since 1980 there is a clear and dramatic increase in the the concentration of wealth. The pandemic and related problems may have stalled that trend for a time.
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by odo1242 on Saturday January 28, 2023 @04:31PM (#34562155)
(the pandemic has, in fact, made every metric of income/wealth inequality markedly worse)
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by andrewprock on Saturday January 28, 2023 @05:06PM (#34562489)
The $600 checks and free vaccine delivery were the major progressive policies I was thinking of. But those were definitely temporary.
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining? by diydsp on Saturday January 28, 2023 @05:05PM (#34562474)
citations, please.