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Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by cmrdporcupine on Saturday January 28, 2023 @02:43PM (#34560917)
Because that in particular will freak everyone else in the company out, and .. most importantly... Google is no longer scared about those people going to their competition, because their competition is also flushing talent away. In the past, Google was willing to dump all sorts of cash into talent as long as it kept people from creating a truly competitive landscape. Now, they don't have to worry as much.

The layoffs had nothing to do with getting rid of low performers, it was a way of putting everyone on notice that it doesn't matter how well you perform... management has the power, not you.

Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by davidcbc on Saturday January 28, 2023 @02:54PM (#34561059)
Random layoffs that affect high performers and low performers equally doesn't encourage performing higher. If anything it encourages performing lower because why bother if it's not going to even save your job?
Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by djur on Saturday January 28, 2023 @03:43PM (#34561626)
It might not be so much about encouraging performance as encouraging compliance.
Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by rqtwteye on Saturday January 28, 2023 @07:32PM (#34563574)
That’s my impression of large companies. They value compliance way more than performance.
Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by raydev on Saturday January 28, 2023 @11:39PM (#34564984)
Because it doesn't matter. The idea that these companies are overflowing with "low performers" is a complete myth, a lie that people use to comfort themselves.

The Big Names are actually filled with so many smart and productive people that it doesn't matter who they lay off.

Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by Quarrelsome on Saturday January 28, 2023 @06:04PM (#34562941)
are you suggesting that they are intentionally scaring their staff in order to increase productivity? What management school is this thesis from?
Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by oblio on Saturday January 28, 2023 @06:30PM (#34563115)
The management school of stupidity, which in practice is met a lot more than any other management school, even at top tier companies.

The more I read about this stuff, the more I realize that a lot of is out of sheer luck of hitting product market fit. Google monopolized open internet ads 20 years ago and except for protecting their moat they haven't done much else, 90% of their money still comes from there. They're trying to expand with the cloud, but they're a distant 3rd or 4th.

Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by cmrdporcupine on Saturday January 28, 2023 @07:29PM (#34563547)
it's not to increase productivity, it's to increase compliance and push down salary bands.

Have you forgotten this is the same company that had a backroom non-poaching pact with Apple (and probably other SV firms) a decade ago? And got caught red handed and got in a shitload of trouble for it?

When I joined Google in 2011 they were still dealing the fallout from that.

Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by Quarrelsome on Saturday January 28, 2023 @08:13PM (#34563868)
> it's not to increase productivity, it's to increase compliance and push down salary bands.

Its as if someone has forgotten that they can increase revenue instead.

Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by hnfong on Sunday January 29, 2023 @01:43AM (#34565575)
Which one is easier for executives, particularly during a recession?
Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by Quarrelsome on Sunday January 29, 2023 @08:56AM (#34568101)
fair point, short-termism is so ick and its such little thinking.
Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by cmrdporcupine on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:42AM (#34569067)
Google doesn't have a revenue problem and hasn't since its IPO. For the past 15 years they've made the stockmarket happy by somehow magically conjuring increases in ad revenues every single quarter. It's a mind boggling firehose of money that just never seemed like it would stop increasing in intensity.

It still hasn't stopped, though it may have slowed a bit in its increase. But there's no danger on the revenue front. Just danger on stock price, because investors really want Number Go Up continually.

So the moves last week were really about making investors think Google is Doing Something and exercising downward pressure on wages.

Its a sector-wide move to put downward pressure on wages and bargaining power, and Google is only a small part of it.

Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by sombragris on Saturday January 28, 2023 @06:21PM (#34563056)
That would put me on notice that it is not worth working for such a company and I'd start sending résumés to various recruiters. No matter how you would explain this, it is nothing short of idiotic.
Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by rurp on Saturday January 28, 2023 @06:31PM (#34563125)
This reasoning seems plausible to me, but it seems to be having the opposite on employees from what I have seen. Why invest yourself in a company that will fire thousands of people for petty reasons? I think this will cause many employees to shift more focus on how to look good on paper, versus doing actual interesting or useful work that might fly under the radar.
Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by cmrdporcupine on Saturday January 28, 2023 @10:09PM (#34564473)
Google makes so much money on ad revenues that their entire workforce could be completely lazy and unproductive and get almost nothing done and they'd still have money to burn.

Ads is a money printing machine. The most important roles there are SRE, data centre, and ops/infra jobs that keep the machine up and running.

Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by ghostpepper on Sunday January 29, 2023 @12:58PM (#34570719)
Are you sure about that?

"Profits [in Q3 2022] were at $13.9 billion, down from $18.9 billion in Q3 2021"

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/google-profits-plumm...

Re:What is Google doing with its open source teams? by sanderjd on Saturday January 28, 2023 @07:10PM (#34563393)
Ok but why work harder when the message was "it doesn't matter how hard you work"?