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Re:France's Largest Semiconductor Company Got Nationalized (... by throw84628384 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @08:26PM (#34541333)
> Quite a smart move actually...

Isn't this just following China's playbook? Important companies in China often have Party members firmly in control.

I wonder what will be copied next, maybe other nations will start their own "Great Firewall..."

Re:France's Largest Semiconductor Company Got Nationalized (... by orthecreedence on Thursday January 26, 2023 @08:43PM (#34541450)
And soon nations might even build enormous surveillance apparatuses by forcing "private" companies to participate in mass data sharing programs. Can you imagine??
Re:France's Largest Semiconductor Company Got Nationalized (... by pksebben on Friday January 27, 2023 @02:33AM (#34543589)
why bother? all that data is for sale, and relatively cheap. is this an actual thing that is in the works?
Re:France's Largest Semiconductor Company Got Nationalized (... by setuids on Friday January 27, 2023 @04:16AM (#34544170)
I believe that is a reference to programs such as PRISM which indeed do force companies to hand over large amounts of data to the government (agencies)
Re:France's Largest Semiconductor Company Got Nationalized (... by olivierduval on Friday January 27, 2023 @04:24AM (#34544210)
Actually, there's an explicit theory in the (european) political landscape now: if democraties don't "level up" to match what is efficient in "totalitarian" (understand: China, Russia) countries, then democraties will lose the game... so we adopt part of the same playbook as our "competitors"

A "great firewall of Europe" is already more or less in development (watch at the european cybersec budget). It surely will be more "open" than in China but... Europe would like to be able to "watch" the internet traffic of any citizen (for their own safety and agains terrorism and pedophilia obviously and as usual)

Please note that "competitors" may be allies too: when the US give money to its own companies, or pass some extra-territorial laws... Europe try to do the same. To keep the playing field levelled ;-)

Re:France's Largest Semiconductor Company Got Nationalized (... by snowpid on Friday January 27, 2023 @05:10AM (#34544454)
You could give a credible source for the firewall.
Re:France's Largest Semiconductor Company Got Nationalized (... by lm28469 on Friday January 27, 2023 @05:06AM (#34544426)
I'd recommend reading about France's history and especially the parts about nationalised companies/industries, it goes back to 1789

I know this is HN and "China bad", but not everything China does is "bad"

Re:France's Largest Semiconductor Company Got Nationalized (... by xico on Friday January 27, 2023 @07:08AM (#34545139)
What you are implying is not super clear. Are you saying that the French nationalizations [1], which btw predate the emergence of democracy in 1789, are somehow signs of an autocratic system?

If you look at the Fifth Republic, most of the nationalizations in France happened under socialist governments, democratically elected, and with a mandate to do so from the population. Even the more rightwing French governments follow similar rules and nationalize companies to protect them and their workers (for instance from takeovers), or protect from foreign influence (and not just from countries with more imperialistic tendencies, for instance Italy for the ports).

Nothing of the sort applies here. France, its population and and government, would almost certainly approve of a nationalization in the first place if it were to protect their interests. But these Soitec changes seem relatively innocuous, and some of the claims are really paranoiac. For instance believing that a former CEA employee or administrator would continue to work undercover while at another company.

Of course France is a democratic country and thus its interests often conflate with the ones of its citizens. Nothing would prevent them from administering a company in a way that best suits their vision of the world, quite often matching a government perspective without any concertation.

[1] https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalisations_en_France