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Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by NikolaNovak on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:00PM (#34534504)
Right.

The programmer in me fumes at that imprecision.

The human in me says "thank God". Because there a myriad valid times you cannot turn on signal 300ft before lane change, but you should always do it in reasonable time :)

If I turn on a new street and there's a car parked 200ft down the lane or if a kid jumps on the road or if I become aware of an obstacle or a car cuts me off or I want to give somebody room at a merge etc etc... I may not be able to do it in 300ft but I should still try to do it in reasonable time.

There's no "winning". Overly precise is inhumane in some scenarios, Overly vague is inhumane in others.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by drdeca on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:18PM (#34534821)
Perhaps we could both give a vague description, and also a precise condition which is to be considered a sufficient but not necessary condition for the vague condition to be true?

Such as “must signal within a reasonable time (signaling at least 300ft beforehand while not speeding is to be considered a sufficient condition for signaling within a reasonable time)”

Downside: that could make laws even longer.

Hm, what if laws had, like, in a separate document, a list of a number of examples of scenarios along with how the law is to be interpreted in those scenarios? Though I guess that’s maybe kind of the sort of thing that precedent is for?

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by imoverclocked on Thursday January 26, 2023 @01:06PM (#34535855)
That sounds like case law? Eg: It’s why we call “Roe v Wade” as we do.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by drdeca on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:34PM (#34537500)
What’s the difference between “precedent” and “case law”? I had thought that when I said “Though I guess that’s maybe kind of the sort of thing that precedent is for?” that that covered things like citing “Roe v. Wade”.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by imoverclocked on Thursday January 26, 2023 @06:54PM (#34540582)
I’m not a lawyer, I just play one on HN.

I thought precedent was a broader term that also covers accepted practices or processes.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by BoorishBears on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:29PM (#34535061)
> The human in me says "thank God".

You're more charitable than me: I assume there will be infinitely more times where the imprecision is used for probable cause for a stop, than there will be times where someone was going to pull you over because you properly responded to a road hazard

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by NikolaNovak on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:41PM (#34537612)
Oh fair enough.

But I think there's a difference between "intent of change" and "abuse of change" / "threat surface of the change". Sometimes there's a clear, direct line between the two, but (and this is me being charitable:) I think a lot of the time there isn't. Which is to say, I don't think it's necessarily a contradiction that a) The law was changed to make things better/easier for people while b) In actual real world it can or will be abused a lot to make arbitrary trouble - the latter will depend a lot on place/politics/corruption/culture/societal norms/power balance/etc.